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TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Always watching, never seen
Aug 7th 2018 at 3:32:53 PM

That kind of second-hand exposition is fair game, I think. But I should note that they don't say anything about the size of the blast other than "huge", and it was apparently contained within a single research facility so we're talking, like, maybe a building level. The only thing notable about it being "nuclear" is that apparently the explosions she can create have fallout. I don't know if the symbiote can survive fallout, but I wouldn't put it past it.

Far more notable is the fact that she can create explosions at all. Kill It with Fire being one of the most reliable methods of dealing with symbiotes, that would give her a method of beating Carnage that he's never managed to successfully overcome. She may just win this yet. If she can make big booming fire blasts, then it doesn't matter if they have fallout or not because the fight isn't going to last long enough for it to become relevant.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 7th 2018 at 4:35:51 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold, dispassionate logic that which can be equally or better explained by emotional outburst.
Demongodofchaos2 Best Dad from Reality Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Best Dad
Aug 7th 2018 at 3:45:14 PM

Lucy most Absurds feats are when she dies.

Also before we get to that, Lucy does have a healing factor, as When she is Nyuu, she tries to kill herself with her own vectors, but it fails because she heals too rapidly.

As for her absurd feats that she used when dying, mostly due to even her healing not being able to save her. All of them NSFW due to the mangas nudity:

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Aug 7th 2018 at 6:50:53 AM

I don't fight for good, and I don't fight for evil, I JUST FIGHT! Augus, Asura's Wrath
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Aug 7th 2018 at 3:55:52 PM

But is it enough to kill Carnage?

Cause due to comic book insanity & the plus of being a supervillain he has survived an insane amount of shit that includes being torn in half by a Superman like being in space & then just being left there.

Iíd say it doesnít matter how hard, how fast, or how big you hit him, unless you can literally obliterate every single trace of him you wonít kill him.

What you need is fire or sonic blasts though I guess you can generate the latter if you can break the sound barrier.

[up] So pretty much using her full power will kill her so itís an even greater risk for her.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 7th 2018 at 3:59:10 AM

TrashJack Klaatu Barada Nikto! from Deep Within the Recesses of the Human Mind Relationship Status: is commanded toó WANK!
Klaatu Barada Nikto!
Aug 7th 2018 at 4:28:47 PM

I forget, was it fire or sonics that Carnage gained immunity to but also gained a weakness to Cthonic magic as a replacement? If it's the former, that might negate Lucy's explodo powers.

slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Aug 7th 2018 at 5:03:11 PM

[up] Right there was also that recent Carnage ongoing that involved him in a Cthulhu-sequel story line.

Havnít read it yet though, does anyone know what happened there?

Like did he actually get a big power-up?

FlutterFire Ugh, please don't make me talk about my feelings from a universe where multiverse theory isn't true Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Ugh, please don't make me talk about my feelings
Aug 7th 2018 at 5:32:13 PM

The RTX Panel says that Carnage traded the sound weakness away, so fire still works on him.

Is this another part of pony friendship? Telling each other what you learned all the time?
TobiasDrake Always watching, never seen from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Always watching, never seen
Aug 7th 2018 at 6:52:41 PM

So, yeah. If Lucy is capable of Roy Mustang-ing Carnage, she's got this.

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold, dispassionate logic that which can be equally or better explained by emotional outburst.
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Aug 7th 2018 at 7:01:04 PM

Címon Carnage, ya got this.

Aside from immunity to sound did he get any magic powers?

I also recall Brian Micheal Bendis canonized his ability to drain people of their life-Force simply by touching them.

HandsomeRob The freaky train with a face! from Shining time station Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The freaky train with a face!
Aug 7th 2018 at 9:02:26 PM

Tobias already explained how stupid that was.

The life draining was a thing invented for his animated series appearance to keep him somewhat close to the comics, letting him rampage without excessive blood.

From what I'm reading, Carnage wouldn't want to do something that didn't leave a bloody mess.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 7th 2018 at 10:02:12 AM

As a sentient train, I am morally against any kind of de-railing.
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Aug 7th 2018 at 9:15:39 PM

That's not the point though.

The point is it exists & no matter how stupid & unfitting to the character it is & it really is (only working in an extremely specific circumstance) they will use it in the fight.

Aug 7th 2018 at 9:28:11 PM

I can see it being something that comes up in trivia "Carnage can also do this" but not ending up being a factor in the fight scene.

Aug 7th 2018 at 10:02:01 PM

I was browsing the trivia page, and apparently they considered pitting Carnage against Green Lantern at one point. The idea was that since they could both use their powers to materialize objects at will, that would be the link between the two. I think that's a tenuous connection at best, but what do you guys think? I feel Green Lantern might have the edge because he's demonstrated more variety using his ring compared with Carnage using the symbiote. Plus, he's had more experience fighting higher-tier characters compared with Carnage, who usually goes after street-level heroes from what I've seen.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 7th 2018 at 1:02:16 PM

FlutterFire Ugh, please don't make me talk about my feelings from a universe where multiverse theory isn't true Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Ugh, please don't make me talk about my feelings
Aug 7th 2018 at 10:30:57 PM

I mean, if GL found out Carnage's weakness, then they'd certainly be able to create the weapon necessary to defeat him.

Is this another part of pony friendship? Telling each other what you learned all the time?
Aug 8th 2018 at 2:27:37 AM

There was also that one time that Carnage and Venom entered into cyberspace using their symbiotes because... it was the 1990's? That story made zero sense at the time and hasn't been brought up since.

Re. vampirism, symbiotes in general are able to drain their hosts of vital fluids anyway.


Carnage tanked missiles from a pair of fighter jets once. He was stunned and injured by it, but he quickly recovered.
In Carnage Vol. 2, the Carnage symbiote is empowered by the Eldritch Abomination Chthon and exchanges its weakness to sound for a weakness to eldritch magic; and also gains a situation-specific version of its at-the-time former ability to infect people with pieces of itself to take them over. The reason this was situation-specific is because Cletus needed a copy of the Darkhold (Chthon's Tome of Eldritch Lore) and an alter to Chthon to make it work 100% of the time. Without an alter to Chthon... of the dozens of people he tried it on sans alter, the only ones he succeeded with were Claire Dixon (who was turned into Raze) and Jubulile van Scotter. The others were either killed outright they'd turned into a grotesque half-human half-symbiote things.

It's something of a moot point anywats, since, as of The Amazing Spider-Man: Go Down Swinging it's regained both its weakness to sound and its ability to infect people with pieces of itself.


The Green Lantern seems a bad matchup for almost anyone except Superman-tier characters. What's stopping him from just trapping his opponent in a bubble and flying them into space or making the bubble smaller and smaller until they're crushed?

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 8th 2018 at 9:27:38 AM

Aug 8th 2018 at 3:39:52 AM

GL would easily be able to beat carnage. He just exists at a higher tier level then Carnage does. Even if he doesnít have the power to take Carnage down, there is nothing stopping him from throwing Carnage into the sun.

Aug 8th 2018 at 3:41:29 AM

[up][up]There's a number of characters that could deal with that. Sentry from Marvel for instance.

Aug 8th 2018 at 4:48:26 AM

There's a lot of DC characters that hover around the "almost as strong as Superman level" that are tricky to find battles for without going the DC-Marvel route or the DC-Dragon Ball route. The list includes Wonder Woman, any Green Lantern, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Dr. Fate, Blue Beetle, the Spectre, and Shazam, at a minimum.

Honestly, the most interesting GL fight might be to do a battle royale of the human GL's. I'm sure the GL fanbase will handle the result in a respectful way.

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Aug 8th 2018 at 5:20:57 AM

Guy Gardner would probably take that, maybe, possibly. He's supposed to have so much willpower that his ring has to constantly discharge or some junk.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 8th 2018 at 8:20:55 AM

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TheHeroHartmut You know what really expands my dong? from a cave, according to my father Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
You know what really expands my dong?
Aug 8th 2018 at 5:27:20 AM

I guess Kyle Rayner doesn't get the White Ring in this scenario, but, with an Imagination-Based Superpower like a GL ring, his artist background has come in most useful for him time and again.

Another day passes.
fasoman1996 Spooky Rat from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Spooky Rat
Aug 8th 2018 at 5:57:11 AM

I'm pretty sure that intended matchup for Carnage was Red Lantern instead of Green Lantern.

*nibbling intensifies*
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Aug 8th 2018 at 7:42:05 AM

Says she'll destroy the planet with her vectors, and given how her vectors can reach into space◊, she'd be more then capable of doing so if her body didn't give out.
I've just checked, and I'm not sure that her body actually gave out; it mostly looks like her desire for suicide (by her Nyu and Kaede personalities) briefly overcame her desire for human omnicide (by her DNA Voice personality), shutting down her vectors and handing Kouta the handgun he had dropped just a minute ago and making one final plea to kill her with a point-blank headshot before it's too late. And to end her suffering, too; poor girl was having extreme difficulty to breathe in her last moments.

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 8th 2018 at 5:46:34 PM

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Aug 8th 2018 at 8:42:54 AM

Even if he doesnít have the power to take Carnage down, there is nothing stopping him from throwing Carnage into the sun.

Is that something he's actually done before?

Aug 8th 2018 at 9:29:45 AM

[up][up][up] And now I'm picturing Carnage as a Red Lantern.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Aug 8th 2018 at 10:08:57 AM

... Ben/Wiz mispornounced Kaede's name. What's the most reliable way to inform him of this error?

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
JRads47 Waiting for Fridays from my point of vew, the Jedi are evil!
Waiting for Fridays
Aug 8th 2018 at 10:12:10 AM

The episode's probably pretty close to being finished, so it's most likely going to be fixed in post.

You can't convince me to enjoy Bakemonogatari.

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