We've mentioned characters like that. Repeatedly. Tobias mentions them in the post you are responding to. Problem is, they don't make for a very interesting fight either, it's just in the opposite direction.
As we've said many, many times now, Roy is a poor choice for a series like this, because no fight involving him will last very long. Either he fries his opponent on the first move, or they're immune and butcher him on the second.
By completely misrepresenting how his abilities and those of the Firebenders work most likely.
On a more serious note, I hope they don't do it. There's a point at which you just have to ignore the fanbase demands and realize a fight isn't close enough or interesting enough to be worth doing.
edited 9th Jul '17 8:08:02 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
It's worth noting that in a series full of fun and engaging fights where combatants give as hard as they get, Mustang never even has one. Every single fight he's in is a curbstomp because of his powerset. The closest thing he has to a good fight is Lust, but only because it's two curbstomps.
The first where she's able to combine the element of surprise and existing knowledge of how his powers work to deprive him of his ignition gloves, leaving him basically helpless. And then the second where he shows up shortly after using a transmutation circle scrawled out of blood and a flintlock lighter to reproduce his effect, whereupon she goes the way of most people who fight Mustang: he blows her up while she helplessly writhes.
Outside that, the only notable times he fights anyone are Envy, who he curbstomps, and Wrath, who curbstomps him because f*cker can dodge explosions.
edited 9th Jul '17 9:15:12 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And then a parting comment from Mustang about, "This makes me the new Firelord, right?"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.To go further into the Lust fight, she only gives him trouble to due his not fully grasping how her powers work (and even then, he remembers what Ed and Al have told him and tries to fight smart or act based on what he's observed).
He explodes an entire room with her inside it, and then immediately points out to Havoc that there's a chance she might still regenerate despite knowing he incinerated her due to the smell of burning flesh (inverting No One Could Survive That! as well) and Lust chooses that exact moment to re-appear and spear Havoc through the spine.
He then pulls the rather wise move of reaching right into her chest (get your damn minds out of the gutter) and yanking out her Philosopher's stone (not only because he rightfully realized it was her heart, but also due to needing it to heal the already injured Havoc) only for her to once again begin regenerating around his hand.
When he finally gets her, he used his previous knowledge to come up with a rather sound strategy:
Keep killing her until she stays dead.
So Roy Mustang can mostly only be beaten via catching him off guard, or being King Bradley. Everyone else comes up short.
And we all keep ignoring that at the end of the series, he's also able to do circle-less transmutations just like Al (and Ed formerly) which makes him even more powerful.
edited 9th Jul '17 10:19:29 AM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I do keep forgetting that Mustang has that ability and, yes, that actually does make him significantly more dangerous. Being able to perform improvisational transmutations against an adversary gives him options against the rare handful of things that can actually get through his initial detonations.
That said, it is limited by the fact that we never get to see much of what, if anything, he's learned to do with it. Alchemy is a science, after all; it's not just a cool superpower, it's knowledge-driven. Ed can do shit like like turn Greed's Ultimate Shield to graphite or use his own life force as a Philosopher's Stone to close an injury because he's intimately familiar with the chemical makeup of the human body. Human transmutation is his area of expertise.
Mustang gets the ability so late in the game that the only thing we ever get to see him do with it is reproduce a slower, more unwieldy version of his Flame Alchemy. Could he perform simple transmutations like ground spikes and shit? Probably. But there's no evidence that he has the requisite experience and knowledge required for anything that could actually be game-changing against a foe capable of getting through his explosions.
edited 9th Jul '17 10:30:47 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.That's true. That being said, he can learn.
Plus who knows what he learned before he became a flame alchemist. He did mention he had some knowledge of Medicinal Alchemy (when he stole Lust's stone to try and heal havoc) so there's a good chance he's got some good overall knowledge and he just needs a bit of a refresher course.
There's also the possibility that he just uses it to make his flame alchemy even more gamebreakinig than it already is.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah. That's the thing about Mustang. It's not that he uses fire. That, on its own, does not make for a nigh-insurmountable opponent. Zuko uses fire. Pyro uses fire. A lot of people use fire.
The issue with Mustang is that his way of using fire, specifically, is largely unblockable and just barely dodgeable, on account of the fact that it doesn't really have a projectile associated with it. There is one, but it's a tiny spark, near imperceptible, that shoots through the air along a predefined course.
By the time there is actual fire to counter, you're already engulfed in it. Countering Mustang is more a matter of dodging ability than it is of being able to handle the flames. Someone like Spider-Man could probably beat Mustang's Flame Alchemy. But, again, that just flips the table the other way; either it's a curbstomp in his favor or a curbstomp against, but either way, the fight ends in five seconds.
edited 9th Jul '17 11:27:59 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.For to the specific way Roy's explosions are triggered, he kind of is. Roy explodes things by transmuting and then exciting molecules, while Cold's entire powerset is about reversing molecular entropy.
His tech specifically cancels out what makes Roy's abilities work, he has the ability to put himself in a field of the effect (which he has opened combat with even when he's not sure what he's facing) - thus rendering Roy's usual strategy literally inert, as no spark is getting through that Cold Field, no matter how imperceptible - and when it comes down to his reaction time vs a finger snap, Its definitely a close thing but I might pick the guy who can quick draw on The Flash.
When it comes to abilities vs abilities, he's about as close to a hard counter to Roy as it gets.
edited 9th Jul '17 11:26:25 PM by KnownUnknown
The true power of Rukia Kuchiki's Zanpakuto revolves around using entropy to lower temperatures and freeze things.
edited 10th Jul '17 1:56:12 AM by Arawn999
I'm half tempted to suggest Roy Mustang versus Firestorm. It doesn't actually work (Roy Mustang doesn't have any defense for Firestorm turning him into a pillar of salt and Firestorm can fly, which means the Death Battle is an example of Rocket-Tag Gameplay at best), but it's at least the right sort of idea.
Father (Full Metal Alchemist) vs Kakine Teitoku (A Certain Magical Index) - God like beings whose powers revolve around creation.
Edward Elric vs Archer EMIYA (Unlimited Blade Works) - Red clad anti heroic combat pragmatists.
Ling Yoa vs Sokka - badass normal swordsmen.
edited 11th Jul '17 5:58:58 AM by windleopard
Ed would get clobbered by Archer I think.
Same for Sokka versus Ling, because it's stated they use a composite of the characters at their strongest, and Ling was at his strongest when he was fused with Greed.
One Strip! One Strip!No clue who the other guy is, but we never see Father at his strongest enough to see his full capacity, since he's immediately depowered by Van Hohenheim. And Father at his regular power isn't all that impressive except for his durability, especially if he can't fall back on disabling people's Alchemy. He can suck out souls to re-fuel his stone, that's about it.
edited 11th Jul '17 6:56:37 AM by Ghilz
Rudol von Stroheim vs. The Major. They're both Nazi majors at least initially for Stroheim, they both have dealings with ultra badass vampires, and they're both cyborgs.
Although, I'm pretty sure this would be an utter curbstomp in Stroheim's favor since the former can fight Pillar Men, and the latter can't aim for shit.
The Major has basically no feats whatsoever. He's primarily a cerebral antagonist. This is a no-brainer.
Speaking of no-brainers, I've been thinking about Manchester Black Vs Jean Grey (without the Phoenix, evidently).
Battle of the Telepaths
edited 11th Jul '17 7:21:46 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."

What about Roy vs Esdeath?