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FlutterFire Ugh, please don't make me talk about my feelings from the Dragon Lands Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#28376: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:22:08 PM

[up]Yeah, it depends.

On the one hand, episodes like Hercule Satan vs Dan Hibiki and Megazord vs. Voltron, while pretty obvious stomps, are entertaining stomps, and I at least wanna see them battle and be funny or cool.

On the other hand, episodes like Darth Vader vs. Doctor Doom, Mega Man vs Astro Boy and Flash vs. Quicksilver are more like sad foregone conclusions, where I'd rather the loser fight someone else where they stand even a little bit more of a chance.

edited 21st Jun '17 3:22:55 PM by FlutterFire

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#28377: Jun 21st 2017 at 3:38:40 PM

To be fair, I think Astro Boy actually died when he went into the Sun; him surviving it was just a what-if chapter made after the fact, but his story quite clearly ends in the Sun.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#28378: Jun 21st 2017 at 4:36:37 PM

Oh look at that, a matchup I care about has arrived.

Ya know, I was expecting a Mega Man opponent and mainly for it to be Bass...wasn't expecting Zero.

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JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#28379: Jun 21st 2017 at 4:54:49 PM

[up]Considering that Metal ripped Bass a new one in Eggman vs Wily...

Plus, Zero is a lot cooler than Bass.

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#28380: Jun 21st 2017 at 5:39:30 PM

Zero's easily one of the coolest characters in the Mega Man franchise.

Pretty sure Metal Sonic's taking this, though. Because of speed. Being a speedster is a Superpower Lottery ability and unlike Mewtwo, I don't know of anything Zero has that he can pull out to be like, "Aha! I see your broken-ass superpower and raise you MY EVEN MORE BROKEN-ASS SUPERPOWER!!!"

There are very few counters to super-speed, and Zero has none of the ones I know. He's a pretty top of the line fighter but only in the "A reasonable fight occurs" tiers, while Metal Sonic's straight out of the "Wait, what just happened? Why am I already dead?" tiers. So Zero's probably going to lose this on grounds that it doesn't matter how good a fighter you are when the other guy has a Story-Breaker Power.

edited 21st Jun '17 5:42:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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#28381: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:14:33 PM

Well, for what its worth, if you take Zero and remove his morality ypu get Omega. Omega was responsible for the genocide of 90-ish percent of the Mega Man world's population. However, that was with the Dark Fairy in tow, so its debatable how much of that carries over.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#28382: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:27:39 PM

[up]Of course aparently the idea was dark fairy was used from the sigma virus of X but it was scrapped which is a shame.

Now they will used Omegas as Zero berserket state? its pretty posible.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#28383: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:31:03 PM

Zero has a Time Stop ability actually. That might be able to shift things in his favor.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#28384: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:31:12 PM

[nja]Zero has a move that allows him to stop time, so there's that.[nja]

Then again, if Akame ga Kill! taught me anything, it's that time freezing means jack if you can't find your opponent during it.

edited 21st Jun '17 6:31:39 PM by JRads47

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#28385: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:43:13 PM

I feel like Zero has a significant durability edge on Metal Sonic and better endurance; is it possible for Zero to just tank hits from Metal Sonic then dish out punishment while Metal Sonic regains stamina?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28386: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:53:37 PM

Zero has his entire history of different power ups from enemies he's defeated, similar to Classic Mega-Man, but unlike the latter, is a hell of a lot stronger, even without the Maverick Virus.

There's also the matter of what version of him they are using—X version or Zero series version—and how many of those abilities they are willing to give him.

To say nothing of Command Mission which introduces his action trigger and hyper mode based abilities, along with Final Strike.

Though I do agree that he may never have fought someone who's got as much speed as Metal Sonic, but we'll see. It took having an asteroid dropped on him to finally kill him...and only because he let it.

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#28387: Jun 21st 2017 at 6:53:47 PM

Dark Hold only works against non-boss enemies and the one dude whose Weakness Weapon it is, though, so I doubt it will be usable against Metal Sonic.

I'm actually not sure which of the two would have superior durability. One place the two overlap is that they both come from franchises where carving up robots is a valuable skill. Purely in terms of story flavor and theme, Zero should clinch the victory because he was built to kill powerful robots while Metal Sonic was just built to be a powerful robot. Like, if this were a DBX, Zero would be taking the win, no sweat.

But since this is a proper Death Battle, I just can't get past Metal Sonic's speed advantage. Even if Zero can tank a hundred hits from Metal Sonic, that's not going to matter if he can't land a blow before Metal Sonic lands his 101st.

edited 21st Jun '17 6:54:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28388: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:00:06 PM

Dark Hold not working against bosses (besides the dude it's weak against) could easily be Gameplay and Story Segregation however.

Plus, Time Stands Still tends to be the logical counter to Super-Speed (and vice versa).

I'm giving this to Zero. It's true, Metal's speed gives him an incredible advantage, but Zero can take a licking and keep on ticking (and sometimes, even when he stops ticking, he just comes back later), and once he gets around the speed, he's got a lot more tricks in his arsenal than Metal does.

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#28389: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:09:25 PM

Perhaps. I still think the part about getting around that speed is going to be what trips him up. As we saw in Mega Man v. Astro Boy, versatility doesn't beat power if the gulf is large enough.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28390: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:15:11 PM

True, but Zero has Versatility, and is a lot more powerful than classic Mega Man.

He might still lose to Astro Boy same as Rock did, but he ain't fighting Astro Boy.

I think the strongest Metal has been is either his Metal Overlord state, and Super form from when he touched the Master Emerald.

And I don't think he has access to either of those wily nilly.

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#28391: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:18:51 PM

[up] The doppelganger in Sonic and Knuckles is Mecha Sonic, not Metal Sonic. They're canonically different robots.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#28392: Jun 21st 2017 at 7:20:01 PM

Oh.

Right. I'm gonna need a list of all the robotic sonics, just so I can be sure on my facts.

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Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#28393: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:04:22 PM

Zero does have a vast arsenal of attacks, which in a few games includes a move where if he is attacked he automatically counters, so there is that. Plus, there's his Superpowered Evil Side if he overloads on the Maverick Virus.

edited 21st Jun '17 9:06:39 PM by Arawn999

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#28394: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:06:37 PM

Metal's vulnerability after V Overdrive and his case of Too Fast Too Stop might be his undoing.

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Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#28395: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:10:59 PM

Now they will used Omegas as Zero berserket state?
I'm unclear as to whether Omega was meant to be Zero's original "Awakened" self reactivated by Weil or a new AI created by Weil and installed in Zero's original body, but I've been told it's the latter. If that's the case, Omega wouldn't fit as Zero's berserker state. Plus, they seem to be using Zero's design from the Mega Man X series, rather than the Mega Man Zero series.

edited 21st Jun '17 9:12:34 PM by Arawn999

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#28396: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:25:32 PM

Omega is effectively a different robot using Zero's body. Its still Zero's body, though. Anything he can do, Zero can do. Unless it involves the Dark Fairy.

edited 21st Jun '17 9:26:02 PM by Zeromaeus

Arawn999 Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#28397: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:28:36 PM

[up] So, the latter, then. In essence, Omega is the Legacy Character to Awakened Zero.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#28398: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:30:41 PM

Basically. He was everything Zero was meant to be, where Zero became something entirely different thanks to his adventures with the now fallen X.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#28399: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:39:46 PM

[up]So Omega is reacionary reaction to Zero? I mean like a robot that was to mean what Zero should be?

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#28400: Jun 21st 2017 at 9:59:14 PM

metal sonic's copying ability cinches it for him, imo. regardless of speed.

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