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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Sure she wasn't the ultimate foe of democracy but she was a liar who tried her best to make internal divisions worse and ran the Democratic Party incredibly poorly. Both of which directly benefit Republicans and their reactionary ilk, thus she was a rather bad person.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 21st 2018 at 12:46:20 PM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Wait, I thought she was white? Or is this a case of me falling into Latino Is Brown levels of thinking?
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"A lot of people blame DWS for screwing over Bernie from his rightful title and certain factions of the far left have not exactly been great with women to put it mildly.
lso, Ocasio Cortez and Bernie Sanders are leaping into the Kansas-03 race to support...a guy from Iowa who has barely lived in the district against a more progressive, lesbian Native American woman fighting to be the first Native American woman elected to congress. The optics here are freaking awful.
But, as mentioned by other posters, there's a lot to give her genuine flak over regarding her "leadership" of the DNC. I only put the Scare Quotes there because she was reportedly that abysmal at it.
In more recent news, the Albany County Democratic Headquarters had nine shots fired into it this past Tuesday
, though thankfully it was after hours so no one was present.
Edited by ironballs16 on Jul 21st 2018 at 11:00:00 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"I'd say Sanders is simply retributing a favor for someone who supported his candidacy before, not something to get so worked up about, Cortez having also been a part of said campaign.
Edited by Grafite on Jul 21st 2018 at 7:36:06 PM
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Um... if we're fine with patronage style politics devoid of actual ideals then what you're saying makes sense. But considering that they're backing a less progressive candidate against a more progressive minority I think that is at-best just incredibly bad optics. At-worst it's actively unprincipled.
Alternatively, the fact that people who work together tend to support each other as that's how support networks in politics are built? I mean, yeah, bad optics and all, but some of this is how politics tends to work; you put your support behind people who you've worked with or have supported you. Especially in primaries? Is this a primary? It would help if you gave us links to info instead of just assuming we already had it.
Edited by AceofSpades on Jul 21st 2018 at 2:56:51 PM
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Yes that is generally true but it doesn't mean that "we owe them a favor" excuses much of anything, and it especially doesn't when Sanders is described as some beacon of progressivism in human form. So my original point stands.

Huh, I must've completely missed that.
More reason to dislike her.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 21st 2018 at 11:33:55 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang