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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#249602: Jul 19th 2018 at 8:01:09 PM

Well, that's some very interesting news. Also bad news; like people have said, the Russians have a path out of facing any consequences, and that's making it look like the Democrats bought the midterms from them. Get Hannity screeching about that with even the semblance of evidence, and this country's going to crack right in half.

It's been fun.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#249603: Jul 19th 2018 at 8:37:04 PM

Russia is truly the dog that caught the car.

The problem are the Greenwald factions of the left who refuse to admit it because they can't have their major theory shaken: Democrats lose because they're too neoliberal and aren't left enough. The primary was rigged, but the election was fair.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 19th 2018 at 8:41:05 AM

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#249604: Jul 19th 2018 at 8:51:05 PM

Who says they can't both be right to some degree?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#249606: Jul 19th 2018 at 8:58:36 PM

Greenwald and the rest of his Intercept cronies are not reliable sources of info. They let their biases cloud whatever journalistic integrity they once had a long time ago.

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#249607: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:01:58 PM

In the sense that, at the very least, Democrats have left themselves with (at least perceived) weaknesses that can be blown out of proportion and exploited.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#249608: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:02:50 PM

There is no politician on earth that lacks exploitable weaknesses.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#249609: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:07:35 PM

These hacks use that as an excuse to not vote for them. Because their preferred candidates are so much better.

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#249610: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:10:50 PM

Right, everyone has weaknesses. But it doesn't look as though they've done a good job of covering for them at this point. Being one of the two major parties mean your weaknesses get a lot more airing, and unlike Republicans, (potential) Democratic voters seem to care.

... it's a bit of a jump in ideas, but it's connected: make it so that potential Democratic voters in a (likely) red state feel like their vote matters. Make it more common for electoral votes to split, or something. Yes there are problems with that, but off the top of my head I can't think of another way to address that, possibly because I'm starting to get tired.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Jul 19th 2018 at 12:28:38 PM

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#249611: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:32:32 PM

This train of thought already has issues, but it's even more problematic coming from someone who has already admitted they did not vote in 2016.

It comes off as you looking for an excuse for your voter apathy in the past.

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#249612: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:38:40 PM

I'm still resigned to Georgia going red in the next presidential election, and am fully expecting to do a protest vote unless the Democrats make addressing issues I consider important a major part of their platform. Midterms are another story.

Now if electoral votes were more likely to split based on the proportions of votes each party got in a state, that would be another story.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Jul 19th 2018 at 12:42:30 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249613: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:41:14 PM

What issues do you consider important that the Democrats are not addressing?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#249614: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:44:33 PM

[up][up]It is not even 2020 yet and you are already planning to "protest" vote. SMH.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier.

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#249615: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:51:33 PM

[up] I'm not "planning" on anything until we get a concrete idea of who's going to run, what their positions will be, so on. And again, if I lived in a state that was a more likely Democratic pickup I'd see more point in supporting them regardless, as it stands Georgia isn't the deepest of red states so they don't have to go that far to persuade me.

[up][up] Loudly support things like universal "free" healthcare and college, campaign finance reform, at the very least modify the superdeligate system... make these issues key.

[down] Hence why I'm more willing to vote in the midterms and for local elections.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Jul 19th 2018 at 12:56:47 PM

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#249616: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:53:22 PM

G Georgia has blue areas and purple areas. The governorship is very well within reach for Dems now.

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#249617: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:54:36 PM

You'd think after Alabama went blue people would learn the importance of voting, but I guess not?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#249618: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:55:36 PM

No kidding. But planning voter apathy or "protest" in advance years down the line is a new one to me.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2018 at 12:55:56 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249619: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:56:46 PM

There were seriously people who looked at that outcome and came to the conclusion that Jones "only" winning by a 1.5% (or whatever) was a condemnation of him and the Democrats instead of one of many signs of how Republican Alabama is. People believe what they want to believe.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 19th 2018 at 11:56:50 AM

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#249620: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:01:25 PM

[up][up] I'd be less likely to entertain that possibility if I lived in a more likely swing state. As it stands, I'm not "planning" anything at this point.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#249621: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:02:22 PM

I'm not "planning" on anything until we get a concrete idea of who's going to run, what their positions will be, so on.
At this point, does it really matter who the Democrats run anymore?

I've been vocal about my hatred of the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" mentality, but with the Republican party as it currently exists, I can't conceive of many skeletons in a Democrat's closet, real or imagined, that would justify voting for anyone else, particularly a Republican, who'd be the most likely actual competition.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 19th 2018 at 11:02:59 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#249622: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:04:15 PM

[up][up] You already said you were resigned to it. So clearly you are planning to do it.

We don't even know who is going to run in 2020. We haven't even gotten to the primaries. But you're already assuming that whoever it is isn't worth voting for.

Edited by M84 on Jul 20th 2018 at 1:04:05 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#249623: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:04:55 PM

I just don't get why you're so insistent on this particular talking point. Why even bother talking about protest voting in this climate where the Republican party is taking a collective dump on the country and every vote against them and for a viable candidate is priceless? You can't expect people to react well to that.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jul 19th 2018 at 1:05:11 PM

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#249624: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:05:10 PM

[up][up][up]If I lived in a more likely blue state, yes. As it is they have to make at least a slight effort (which does seem to be underway already, thankfully).

[up][up] I'm resigned to the POSSIBILITY, and I wouldn't be if I was in a bluer state.

Edited by TroperOnAStickV2 on Jul 19th 2018 at 1:06:57 PM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#249625: Jul 19th 2018 at 10:06:27 PM

Make an effort to do what? You've been talking about vague generalities and not said a word about what it is you actuallly want.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Jul 19th 2018 at 1:06:20 PM


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