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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#249576: Jul 19th 2018 at 3:52:59 PM

A bunch of people in the comments are saying this means that Sanders is dirty. Is that premature?

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jul 19th 2018 at 6:52:53 AM

Oh God! Natural light!
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#249577: Jul 19th 2018 at 3:59:19 PM

[up] At the very least this means his campaign was probably compromised by a mole.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#249578: Jul 19th 2018 at 3:59:44 PM

Probably. "A longtime Democratic consultant, Devine worked on Al Gore’s presidential campaign in 2000 and John Kerry’s in 2004. He worked with Paul Manafort on Viktor Yanukovych’s 2010 presidential campaign, but backed away after the election, when Yanukovych began clamping down on dissent." is not a very strong "Russian stooge" case for Devine after all.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#249579: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:30:29 PM

Meanwhile in the ongoing saga of "people who were doing so much better two weeks ago", Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has decided her time is best spent lying about her defeated primary opponent claiming he's running third party against her and going to Kansas to campaign for a guy from Iowa Bernie loyalist against a LGBT Native American woman who's quite progressive for the district.

Can I get a source on this?

i'm tired, my friend
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#249580: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:34:30 PM

The PEW research center has released its data on political trends amongst various demographic group.

Most strikingly amongst Millennials there is a gender gap for supporting the Democratic Party. Males support it 49% vs 41% support Republicans and Females support it 70% vs 23% support Republicans.

Strategically this is really good for the party because women make up half of the population and if they can get that demographic solidly in their camp then things could go very badly for the Republicans.

On one hand I'm quite happy that Millenial women so strongly support the Democratic Party but on the other hand what the hell Millenial men?! That's shamefully close.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#249581: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:40:04 PM

Being a Millennial does not make them immune to the alt-right and Republican kool-aid.

Specially with so much bullshit targeted at young insecure males flying around.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#249582: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:40:57 PM

[up]Yes, I'm not really confused or even very surprised. Obviously they're bigoted and/or selfish, still it's terrible and shameful. Still in-spite of their awfulness the support amongst Millennial women is very encouraging and if we can realize it then the Republicans will likely face some serious electoral issues.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 19th 2018 at 7:44:11 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249583: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:41:36 PM

The alt-right certainly seems like a younger thing, so I'm not really sure what the surprise is about. Just be thankful for the significant gap and hope/try and make it widen.

And, honestly, who is it shameful for? Because I'm certainly not ashamed that there are a lot of dicks who happen to be the same gender and age range as me.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 19th 2018 at 6:46:22 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#249584: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:43:40 PM

And, honestly, who is shameful for? Because I'm certainly not ashamed that there are a lot of dicks who happen to be in my age group.
Oh no definitely not, I'm definitely not ashamed either. I'm saying they should be ashamed.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 19th 2018 at 7:43:22 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249585: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:47:31 PM

Granted, I don't fall into the straight and/or white male demographic the alt-right is mostly about.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 19th 2018 at 6:49:31 AM

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#249586: Jul 19th 2018 at 4:51:14 PM

I got a bit involved when I was in my late teens, basically they can seem very attractive for those having insecurity issues and wanting to reassert themselves, specially when they are afraid they will lose all their assurances in the future.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#249587: Jul 19th 2018 at 5:11:47 PM

Hmm, interesting. I'm a white male but I've never had the values or temperament to likely be attracted to such groups. The fact that for much of my life I was raised as a Muslim almost certainly had something to do with it.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 19th 2018 at 8:11:33 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#249588: Jul 19th 2018 at 5:17:13 PM

I was never drawn to such things, but there was a period of my life I was worried they were right and things like diversity and cultural tolerance were actually harmful to society, and my natural inclination towards liberal views was actually stupid.

But that was back before my critical thinking skills really developed, and I understand that a lot of places on the internet are not to be trusted.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 19th 2018 at 7:17:36 AM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#249589: Jul 19th 2018 at 5:49:34 PM

So Sanders might be in bed with Russia too? That's not good.

We knew this. The guy was one of three recipients for Russian election meddling in 2016. They were pushing both Trump and Sanders, as well as Jill Stein. Sanders was also one of only two Senators who voted not to push new sanctions on to Russia for their election meddling. Russia tried to help him win 2016 and he, in turn, tried to shield Russia from the consequences of it.

The evidence just keeps mounting up. The guy's a Russian stooge. Of course, he's a Russian stooge; he loved the Soviet Union so much that he spent his honeymoon there, and that was during the Cold War. The only way he could be more guilty was if he was Trump.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 19th 2018 at 6:53:53 AM

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A procrastination in of itself
#249590: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:06:00 PM

I’d guess with Sanders he’s a much less direct stooge, Putin is helping him because Sanders USSR nostalgia and isolationism would benefit him, rather than the more direct admiration that he gets from Trump and the more direct coordination Putin had with the Trump campaign.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#249591: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:08:48 PM

Sanders is probably a useful idiot for Russia. Some of his ideas would naturally coincide with what Russia wants, not because they steered him but because he's a bit of a loon in that way to start with.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 19th 2018 at 9:10:46 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#249592: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:09:32 PM

Jill Stein was a puppet for the Republican party. They've since chased down the economic paper trail that reveals her entire campaign was funded for her by the RNC so she could divert votes from Hillary.

She made off with a lot of money afterward.

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eagleoftheninth Midwest emo connoisseur from a dreamed portrait, imperfect (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Midwest emo connoisseur
#249593: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:18:27 PM

Here's a list of evidences included in Mueller's indictment of Manafort. Tad Devine shows up on 21 items, the most recent being a memo to Manafort's Russian-Ukrainian partner and fellow indictee Konstantin Kilimnik in June 2014.

In November 2014, Devine joined the Sanders campaign.

One day, we will read his name in the news and cheer.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#249594: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:18:40 PM

[up][up]Quite, the Green Party are nothing more than useful idiots for the enemies of progress. Any decent Green would just be a Democrat.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 19th 2018 at 9:20:17 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#249595: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:32:04 PM

Get Republicans Elected Every November

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#249596: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:36:04 PM

I saw a headline on CNN that the White House is planning for Putin to visit the U.S. next year? Has that happened with previous administrations? Honest question, I don't know.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#249597: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:54:13 PM

I don't think Sanders is a Russian Stooge. He was just a divisive candidate that they jumped on to cause chaos and split the democrats.

Trump was definitely the Kremlin's preferred Canidate, but they really didn't want Hillary to win.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#249598: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:54:59 PM

Man, this thread moves fast.

Am I Samantha Bee? No, though I am a bit of a fan.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez being a bit shit? No surprise there. Populists gonna populist.

Bernie Sanders' strategist Tad Devine possibly being a Kremlin asset? I wonder if this will shake the faith of Bernie Sanders' supporters.

Millenial men being a bit shit? No surprise there either, given the existence of the alt-right (which does indeed have a lot of younger people though not all of them are young).

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#249599: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:55:09 PM

[up]x3 Yes, once; Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet Premier after Stalin, met with Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1959, and they toured the Country and talked Politics (he even wanted to go to the then 4-year old Disneyland, but was denied for security reasons). As far as I can tell, he was the only Soviet Primier to visit the US in ernest, but I know that Gorbachav did diplomatic missions in the US when he was Primier. I also believe that Yeltsin, Putin and Medvedev visited the US for diplomatic missions.

The difference between Khrushchev visiting in the late '50s and Putin visiting now, though, is that a)Putin's administration is getting aggressive and is threatening the US (Khrushchev didn't visit the US after the Cuban Missile Crisis, for instance), and b)the current President idolizes Putin too much and will not have serious conversations with him (neither Eisenhower nor Nixon would've supported ideas like putting the Premier's word above the FBI or CIA, and they wouldn't have supported 'popular sovereignty' in an area invaded by Russians for instance).

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jul 19th 2018 at 9:55:29 AM

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#249600: Jul 19th 2018 at 6:57:56 PM

Putin last visited the US in the early Bush years, during a... friendlier time. I think Medvedev also visited Obama in Washington early in their respective presidencies, also during friendlier times.

Edited by DrDougsh on Jul 19th 2018 at 6:58:57 AM


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