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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#248601: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:33:24 PM

[up][up][up]The only thing that will get through to them is if the Trade War causes the economy to suffer. As long as they've still got their livelihoods, they're not gonna give a damn. But if the economy suffers even the tinest bit, that's when they're gonna go ballistic.

And honestly, if you're trying to get through to Trump cultists, this isn't the place to do it. Mainly because no-one here is a Trump cultist.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jul 7th 2018 at 5:33:43 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#248602: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:36:04 PM

[up]Eh, I doubt they'll go ballistic. People who are Trump loyalists aren't going to realistically recognize the failure of Trump, the most we can hope for is that their turnout will be depressed by it (which is perfectly plausible).

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#248603: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:37:56 PM

[up]Okay, maybe that was overstating it. But at the very least it's going to cause his base/voter turnout to hurt a bit.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#248604: Jul 7th 2018 at 3:39:48 PM

[up]Fair enough.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248605: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:09:52 PM

Harm done to men, while likely, is incidental. Harming women is the implicit purpose of their crusade against abortion.

Abortion isn't the end of itself. Though yes, the misogyny is there just like homophobia is against gays and racism against minorities. Yes, I hear you going "No duh" but I think of it as a strategy going beyond their targets.

It's just the crusades here are also sleight of hand magic tricks and distraction. They exist to get their bases all riled up so they can get Republicans elected and re-elected without actually dealing with issues. They make enemies to provide a big loud cause then work on looting the environment, medicine, education, and so on.

It's part of a larger strategy that is a war meant to divide, conquer, and leave the vulnerable citizens of America dead.

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#248606: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:16:09 PM

On the economy going south: For the first time in I don't know how long, the unemployment rate has gone up, from 3.8 t0 4.0. Doubt it will effect his hard core though even if it goes way up, they'll just believe it when he says it's the Democrats fault. They won't care if they suffer as long as non-whites suffer more.

Trump delenda est
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#248607: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:28:32 PM

One thing that was constantly pointed out during the latter days of the worse of the Great Recession and needs to be reminded here, is that unemployment should not be used as a barometer for how many people are actually unemployed, as the federal government's statistic never adds people who are unemployed, but aren't looking for work due to various reasons.

If the unemployment starts shooting high quickly, then start panicking.

Edited by tclittle on Jul 7th 2018 at 7:30:20 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#248608: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:31:46 PM

[up][up]"Honestly, even if I'm out of a job, homeless, starving to death, and have absolutely no prospects for the foreseeable future, it'll all be worth it if those dirty immigrants get fucked!"

Yeah, as stupid and fanatical as the Trumpists are, even I don't think they're that suicidal.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jul 7th 2018 at 7:33:34 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#248609: Jul 7th 2018 at 5:35:27 PM

[up]I have to second this notion, they may not blame Trump but it beggars belief that it wouldn't reduce the chance of them voting.

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#248610: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:04:09 PM

I think for many of them Trump is still a unicorn, some impossible thing that they project their desires onto which has no chance of winning. However Trump won, that’s meant to kill the unicorn dream but he’s sustained it, because on a level he acts like he lost, he acts like has has no power and they buy into it.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248611: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:28:03 PM

I dunno.

The problem with Trump's base is that it is very much getting their information about what's wrong with the world from people who exonerate Trump. It's like the house being on fire because Satan is resting in the middle of the living room, only for him to say its the firemen outside.

It shouldn't work but you invited the Devil in to start with.

Edit:

A part of me wonders if Trump can trigger another Depression. Trump is very similar to Herbert Hoover in many respects in terms of his economic policies. Also, Herbert Hoover did everything Trump did by gathering up every single person with an even vaguely sounding Mexican name to dump them across the border.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 7th 2018 at 6:29:03 AM

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#248612: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:34:13 PM

I hope that there isn't another Depression.

Speaking of Hoover, how is he received among political scholars? Not well, I'd guess.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#248613: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:35:54 PM

Hoover didn't cause the Great Depression. A combination of post-WWI economic ideas, just under a decade of deregulation by the Harding and Coolidge admins, and fucked up loans was what caused the crash of 1929.

What turned the crash from a recession into a full on depression was Hoover basically doing the "Everything is fine" meme on a macro economic scale. If he had done some stimulus, the recession wouldn't have been as bad and his reputation would have been saved.

An Oceanside, California minister who is an illegal immigrant who pushed his citizen daughter to vote for Trump is now facing deportation under immigration crackdown.

Protestors confront McConnell and outgoing House Majority Leader Jonathan Shell at a Louisville, Kentucky restaurant over Trump's immigration policy.

Edited by tclittle on Jul 7th 2018 at 8:56:30 AM

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Imca (Veteran)
#248614: Jul 7th 2018 at 6:54:19 PM

Great Depression was more of a global thing, AFAIK Japan was the only unaffected country, and we had our own issues from it... in that the prevention caused the military to take over the government (they were pissed about the cuts to there ammunition budget)

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#248615: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:01:27 PM

I was always under the impression the US caused the Great Depression because they were the center of finance at the time due to WWI.

How it was handled and what effects it had varied based on country/region.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248616: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:05:44 PM

I think it had multiple causes and just sort of all happened at once.

What caused the USA's GD wasn't what caused Germany's.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#248617: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:11:19 PM

Apparently Pruitt is going down swinging, his last business act is to exploit a loophole that will allow glider truck to make a 55% pollution increase.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#248618: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:11:27 PM

Ramirez said he does not know why he is being targeted for removal from the U.S. The Trump administration has said that it is targeting criminals and those who have already been ordered deported. Ramirez said he falls into neither category.

Trump said, ‘Let’s keep all the good people here and all the bad people out,’ ” Ramirez said.

He thinks the Trump administration knows or even cares about the difference.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248619: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:14:13 PM

Pruitt notably was unaware he was resigning until he saw it on the news.

The Trump administration would be hilarious if it wasn't so horrifying.

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#248620: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:31:38 PM

[up]x2 Yeah, it's pretty clear by Trump's policies that he's not against Illegal Immigration, he's against Immigration period. He doesn't want to stop the flow of illegal Hispanic Immigrants into this country, he wants to stop all immigration into this country; his cruelty towards illegal immigrants and those seeking asylum, him attacking legal methods of immigration, and him attacking already naturalized and those becoming naturalized immigrants is more then enough proof that he's the first Know-Nothing to be elected since Millard Fillmore (who was a Whig during his Presidency in 1850, but was nominated by the Know-Nothings for their only national Presidential Run in 1856).

Interestingly enough, there seems to be a lot of parallels between the Know-Nothings of yesterday and the Alt-Right/Trumpeteers of today. They were mostly low-skilled individuals who had little experience with Politics but a massive fear of another 'non-native' group (the Irish Catholics of yesterday and the Hispanics of today), which started as a low-key organization before exploding all across the Country, that at times resorted to violence against immigrants, and had some Socialistic tendencies that never really dominated their ideology. Hopefully like the Know-Nothings, the Trumpeteers disintegrate in 2-3 years (the Alt-Right element appears to be imploding, which is great, but we need the Trumpeteers to collapse as well).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248621: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:43:48 PM

There's a small difference.

Know Nothings were largely anti-slavery and formed part of the Republican party's base. Which shows you can be an anti-immigration, anti-Catholic complete asshole but still have Evil Has Standards.

I'm fairly sure Trump would be all for slavery in the 19th century.

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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#248622: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:55:14 PM

[up] Actually, like the Democrats, the Know Nothings were divided on the issue of slavery, with the Northern wing being Anti-Slavery and the Southern wing being Pro-Slavery. It's true that the Northern wing had more power and success overall, but Maryland, a Pro-Slave state, had a substantial Know-Nothing base, even during the Civil War. Millard Fillmore's Know-Nothing run also mostly got votes from the South (including California), and won Maryland (the only state he would win). Just like with the Whigs, though, Slavery is what destroyed the Party on a National level, and the Northern Know Nothings joined the Republicans while the Southern Know Nothings joined the Democrats (and the South Democrats).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#248623: Jul 7th 2018 at 7:59:23 PM

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Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jul 7th 2018 at 7:59:15 AM

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Imca (Veteran)
#248624: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:08:51 PM

I'm fairly sure Trump would be all for slavery in the 19th century.

I am pretty sure Trump would be all for slavery NOW.

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#248625: Jul 7th 2018 at 8:16:13 PM

He probably is pro-slavery, but realizes admitting it be would political suicide for anything that's not part of his base.

i'm tired, my friend

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