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BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#247776: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:09:42 PM

From the looks of it, the newspaper shooting was a terrorist attack. Not only did he have a bomb on him in addition to his firearms, he mutilated his finger tips before hand to hinder identification.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#247777: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:10:23 PM

Bright spot is that he's been taken alive, so the truth should come out.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#247778: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:12:27 PM

I've said before, and will say again, I'm always happy when these guys are taken alive. I know it's not always feasible, but it's always frustrating when they kill themselves or get killed since these things are, often as not, an elaborate Suicide by Cop. Leaves me feeling like The Bad Guy Wins.

Do we know anything about the shooter himself, yet?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 28th 2018 at 6:12:35 AM

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#247779: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:18:15 PM

So basically, the right-wing is playing the Why Did You Make Me Hit You? tactic

Do not obey in advance.
BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#247781: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:20:20 PM

@Rationalinsanity: I'm with you there. I definitely want to know if he is part of some larger organization. While someone like him is unlikely to cut a deal (the figure mutilation makes me think he fully expected to die), it's possible they can get him talking and let an organization name slip.

If he died, this would have automatically been written off as a lone wolf attack because he's white.

Edited by BigMadDraco on Jun 28th 2018 at 5:22:21 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#247782: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:21:47 PM

Nine times out of ten these things are personally motivated. Jilted ex, disgruntled employee, that kind of thing. Your average malcontent with guns. Terrorism is thankfully rare, despite the insistence from the right that it lurks around every corner.

They should have sent a poet.
Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#247783: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:24:51 PM

He's also a a white male in his 20's, so he's most likely part of the Alt-Right, especially with them cheering about the attack on Social Media sites instead of bashing immigrants/muslims like they usually do with this sort of stuff and FOX's reaction.

Edited by Wariolander on Jun 28th 2018 at 5:25:31 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#247784: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:26:36 PM

An probably conspicuously avoiding the word "terrorist".

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#247785: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:28:04 PM

[up][up][up]An average malcontent with a gun doesn't mutilate his fingers to prevent identification.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#247786: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:32:47 PM

Kennedy’s Retirement Puts Moderate Democrats In A Bind

Basically this could put certain Dems in an vulnerable territory, even more precarious position: either vote to have Trump's nominee and potentially depress turnout in their states, or vote against them, and potentially shore up Republican anger.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 28th 2018 at 7:34:58 AM

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#247787: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:34:31 PM

It was the Jews' fault for the Holocaust, because if they simply all just died then Hitler wouldn't have needed to do anything.

"Honey, no. If anyone's to blame, it's the Jews, for peeving off Hitler so bad."

But with the shooting, unless someone has credible links to some of this stuff, can we knock off the conjecture until after the police have established the shooter's motivation?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#247788: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:37:40 PM

Are the Republicans going to respond positively to treating them nicely?

Because an enemy is an enemy.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#247789: Jun 28th 2018 at 5:39:05 PM

[up][up][up][up] Honestly, that’s a lot more common than you’d think. I worked in a Sherriff’s department and we would get one or two of those a month, whether from intentional disfigurement to avoid identification or accidental damage.

Given that the shooter knew several newspaper employees beforehand and made threats on social media my best guess is it’s probably personal with a side helping of political. The weapon was a shotgun which also suggests could suggest a bit of opportunism, those are one of the easiest types of weapons to buy in Maryland.

That’s all just conjecture though. We should know for sure in the next few hours.

Update: the suspect currently being identified by CNN is a guy who unsuccessfully sued the paper for defamation after they reported on his guilty plea to harassment charges. That was in 2012, and he’s apparently been threatening them ever since.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 28th 2018 at 5:58:47 AM

They should have sent a poet.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#247790: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:10:29 PM

Couldn't the police have, you know, done something about his threats in the meantime?

Do not obey in advance.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#247791: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:10:32 PM

CBS is confirming the identity of the man taken into custody as Jarrod W. Ramos of Laurel, MD.

[up]

Depends on whether they reported him - and unfortunately, restraining orders can only accomplish so much, as many victims of domestic abuse can attest, as they rely on the person it's applied to to actually comply with them.

[down]

Ditto - my mom was immediately convinced it was spurred by Trump's attacks on the media, which is weird considering that I'm far more liberal than her.

Edited by ironballs16 on Jun 28th 2018 at 6:40:40 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247792: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:29:39 PM

Nowadays when these shootings happen I tend to suspect personal motivation first.

Disgusted, but not surprised
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#247793: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:55:11 PM

Purely politically motivated shootings are pretty rare, all things considered.

Political violence is much more calculated, and there just aren’t that many calculating criminals out there. Someone with general violent urges is much more likely to respond to a personal grievance, and there’s also things like crimes of passion which obviously are almost exclusively personal.

Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 28th 2018 at 6:56:58 AM

They should have sent a poet.
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247794: Jun 28th 2018 at 6:56:09 PM

Sometimes the true answer is disappointingly simple: It's because of assholians from the planet ass.

ASAB: All Sponsors Are Bad.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247795: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:26:10 PM

Some interesting news, Senator Gillibrand has said that ICE should be abolished . I'm fairly certain that she's the first Senator to suggest this.

I can't speak for anyone else but I am thrilled grin

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247797: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:39:09 PM

Oh my god.

That's glorious [lol]

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#247798: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:41:54 PM

How Lawful Neutral. Lawful Good even?

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 28th 2018 at 10:43:46 AM

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#247799: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:45:43 PM

I mean it's an agency that's devoted to actively damaging the economy, and the people you actually need to hunt down, criminals, are covered by other federal agencies. Dissolving (Melting) ICE and devolving it's powers and responsibilities to Boarder Patrol, the FBI, and the U.S. Marshals would be the fiscally responsible thing to do.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#247800: Jun 28th 2018 at 7:48:45 PM

I'm starting to think of the majority of Trump's evils are leftovers from him having all of George W. Bush's toys to play with.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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