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Edited by megaeliz on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:57:36 AM
As a laugh, Seth Myers' show had a good riff on Ocasio-Cortez' win
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Alley Oop: What use is it? We can feed the hungry, we can care for the sick, we can actually start taking the steps needed to save our civilization from global warming. I very much see us at a crossroads, we can stand for dead norms and watch the country crumble, or we can acknowledge they are dead and save it.
Bottom line: Kennedy's retirement sucks and the Blue Wave isn't a sure-fire quick fix, but that does not mean everything is hopeless and liberty is dead. Voting is not useless and we shouldn't believe for one second that it is. And voter suppression is bad.
It's kind of weird that I have to be one of the more optimistic people in this thread. I'm not so good at the optimism thing most of the time.
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Ethics aside, if we did all of that, and they somehow managed to get back in power (which would never be totally impossible) we'd be even more screwed.
I'm not a generally optimistic person either, and yet I find myself saying "The World isn't ending" here more and more.
Edited by LSBK on Jun 27th 2018 at 7:04:44 AM
I'm not sure a Supreme Court Justice has ever been impeached - there was an attempt to impeach Clarence Thomas when he harassed Anita Hill, but that unfortunately didn't go anywhere.
Edit: Googling, there was one impeachment - Samuel Chase in 1805 - and he was acquitted.
Edited by Raptorslash on Jun 27th 2018 at 10:09:36 AM
I wanted to note: someone earlier said that Kennedy's retirement means we probably won't finish fighting these battles within our lifetime.
And that's true. But. Like. That's life. Dr. King didn't finish fixing America in his lifetime either. We're not going to fix climate change in our lifetime. We're not colonizing Mars any time soon.
Progress is incremental. You don't get to just slay a bad guy and then live happily ever after. Our grandchildren are going to be fighting these battles. That's how life works. Our job is to do the best we can with it before we hand it off to the next generation.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.No, we'd be exactly as screwed as we are now because the very reason people are saying that the democrats have to be the ones to restore the norms is because the republicans already do not respect them.
Doctor King is actually one of the reasons we need to take these actions because there is a very, very good chance that should things continue as they are he will have lived and died for nothing. You are fundimentally taking it for granted that things will ever get better if we treat everything like it's still normal, rather than potentially undoing everything unions, civil rights activists, etc. have fought and died for over the last century.
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One was impeached in the 1800s, though he ended up getting acquitted. Plenty of impeachments have happened in state S Cs. Like with impeaching the president it’s a difficult and politically fraught process.
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Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 27th 2018 at 7:11:09 AM
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Even if they could impeach Trump’s justices he could just appoint more. Congress can’t pick candidates. Theoretically we could impeach one and then block all appointments, but that would be political suicide for the party.
I’ll point out that impeachment is rare and almost never goes well.
Edited by archonspeaks on Jun 27th 2018 at 7:13:38 AM
They should have sent a poet.But it's not really about us. It's about the people who will follow us.
Exactly.
Dr. King never got to see the first black President of the United States. But it happened. And it never would have happened without him.
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Take a look at the color of most Puerto Ricans' skin.
It's racism and the fear of having more minority voters, since minority voters in the USA have a bit of bias towards being Democratic voters. And possibly more Democratic Senators and Representatives in Congress.
There's also the fact that Puerto Rico becoming a state would mean that the USA has more obligation to give a shit about it and its problems. And said problems include considerable debt.
Edited by M84 on Jun 27th 2018 at 10:17:05 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedBecause it's full of Latinos. That's basically 2 senators for the democrats, and with Mc Cain out of action it would actually put the democrats in control of the senate.
megaeliz: Which doesn't mean anything because the built in time limit for ratification has long past.
Edited by BigMadDraco on Jun 27th 2018 at 7:19:33 AM
Look, if you're calling for left-wing authoritarianism, just do the world a favour and get on a plane for Cuba or North Korea.
Authoritarianism—which is what the suggestions about disenfranchising Republican voters are—is inherently bad, and inevitably gets you results that the original supporters of the authoritarian regime might not be happy with. This goes double for left-wing authoritarianism, since it's usually implemented with some sort of good intentions, and then buys you a Stalinist years down the line.
We have to get rid of gerrymandering, not use it for our own purposes. We have to end voter disenfranchisement, not use it for our own purposes. Stop making us sound like some left-wing equivalent of World Nut Daily.

Point of order, we can absolutely get rid of gerrymandering. The maps aren't, like, ancient relics of a bygone age held in absolute reverence and woven into the Constitution itself.
The districts are redrawn every ten years. We're coming up on that, in fact. New maps will be drawn in 2020. We don't have to take the old maps to court if we get enough people to turn out and vote Democrats into positions of power in time for redistricting.
It all comes back to voting. Declaring your vote meaningless accomplishes nothing but removing yourself from the decision-making system.
So. Y'know. F*ckin' vote.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 27th 2018 at 7:59:00 AM
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