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Edited by TerminusEst on Jun 27th 2018 at 4:13:47 AM
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleNow that Ocasio-Cortez has won the nomination in New York, the Justice Dems are already coming out casting her opponent as a DINO. Let's review Joseph Crowley's history:
Health Care
- Firstly, he's not a Wall St. stooge by virtue of Manhattan ties. His district is in the Bronx and in Queens.
- He has a 100% rating from NARAL and a 0% from the National Right to Life Committee, indicating strident pro-choice allegiance. He has a specific policy interest in ending female genital mutilation both domestically and internationally. He was one of the ACA's original supporters, a strident supporter since, and threw a party on the first anniversary of its passing.
- In 2017, he co-signed the Expanded Medicare For All Bill that Bernie Sanders proposed.
Immigration: He's a harsh critic of Trump's border wall, and ending DACA. In the past, he proposed a bill to give green cards to undocumented workers who cleaned up the wreckage from 9/11.
Economics: Generally pro-small business. Opposed the 2017 tax cuts, supports raising them for the wealthy, cutting them for middle and lower income brackets. Also a specific critic of expanding the defense budget, especially when funding is drawn from social programs, or is accompanied by increasing the tax burden on the poor.
Other: He has a 95% rating from the League of Conservation Voters, and in 2017 introduced rent relief legislation.
Some DINO...
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."![]()
Yeah, he's no DINO by any metric or Trump wouldn't be gloating on twitter that he lost (does he even know that Alexandria hates him even more)? I'm just glad there's proof that you can win while identifying as a socialist and that the more progressive candidate won.
Edited by Grafite on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:56:27 PM
Life is unfair...I don’t think this is nearly as shocking or scene-changing as people are making. Osacio-Cortez could not have pulled this off in most districts in the US and if Crowley hadn’t made a couple of key gaffews he probably would have won like most of the other party picks.
There is little need for hand-wringing or gloating.
Well, I'll start off by saying that I'm glad that a Latina progressive will be in Congress next year. However, there was nothing wrong with Joseph Crowley as a man, or as a legislator, and his ouster is highlighting a problem with the Democrats: where is our middle leadership? Who is going to take over for experienced parliamentarians? Rookie reps with only two to six years in the House? The Justice Democrats are so obsessed with "new blood," that they completely fail to develop a continuity of leadership. They ask why we're sticking with Pelosi when she's nearing eighty; it's because there's no clear heir. We need people in their forties and fifties to take over for the septuagenarians, not twenty and thirtysomethings.
Also, since Ocasio-Cortez's platform mentions nothing of appropriating the means of production, I'm not going to call her socialist. She's a social democrat.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:19:15 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."![]()
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More or less, since anti-left propaganda allows pretty much anything to the left of Ronald Regan as Socialist.
Bernie Sanders did have some policies in his 2016 agenda that would have promoted the founding of more co-ops but it wasn’t promoted much and that is probably the most overtly socialist thing an American politician has promoted in recent memory.
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To be fair, only revolutionary socialist would promote such a thing openly, and they are going to ignore elections anyway.
Edited by Mio on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:22:58 AM
With this case and a few others it seems like some of the Sanders associated people have learnt their lesson, they’re starting to back people with solid progressive credentials (not just ones with pro-Bernie credentials) that are pushing more social diversity (both this case with a minority women unseating a white man and New York’s 24th, where a local female pro-choice professor has won up against a nationally backed late comer who has gone on anti-abortion marches (though does insist that her person view doesn’t matter and that she’d be a solid vote for women)).
Unlike some people here I don’t consider an association with Sanders or Sanders connected groups to be an automatic black mark (a reason to be wary sure), so I’d say it’s a good thing that at least some groups connected to Sanders are learning that women are not the enemy in democratic primaries but the people they should be putting forward.
Edited by Silasw on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:24:04 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHey, I don't just distrust people for being Sanders' supporters. I distrust them for things like bigotry and shit like slandering the defeated primary opponent as a DINO when they're anything but. That's the LAST thing they should be doing. Even in a district that they're heavily favored to win in the general election.
Edited by M84 on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:26:35 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedSanders' supporters are still Democrats, but I question their allegiance to the party platform when they've been taking marching orders from a man who refuses to join up and be counted among us.
As for the pro-choice professor, that was absolutely the right choice. We have Gorsuch ante portas tearing apart abortion rights; any legislator who dares to call themselves a Democrat and be anti-choice, especially if they're from the Northeast, must be defeated utterly.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jun 27th 2018 at 9:42:29 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."![]()
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I think the first half a dozen J Dem candidates were all either women, minorities or both. Pretentious name and bad candidate selection aside I can hardly blame them for wanting to put full-blown left-wingers in deep blue districts.
Who gives a damn about the Party Platform as long as they vote Democrat when the chips are down and the Democrat stands a chance? This is hardly some kind of Militant-style entryist movement that takes orders from General Secretary Sanders, you can just ignore the idiots.
Fair enough. No idea what Momentum is actually doing as of late, they seem to have attracted far more attention just for existing and getting called a gang of jackbooted thugs trying to purge the Labour Party than they have for any actual campaigning.
Edited by DeathorCake on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:50:34 PM
X3 Thing is for that we need clarification, Crimson just said “Justice Dems”, not the winning candidate, not their campaign, just “Justice Dems”. To me that indicates that the attacks are coming from online blowhards are people who had nothing to do with the primary race but happen to be part of the same overarching organisation that’s in reality very compartmentalised. If Crimson has a source that says otherwise I’ll revise my opinion, but until then.
Also I wasn’t actully talking about you when I said what I said.
X2 Not every Sanders supporter takes orders from him, I’m a Corbyn supporter but I don’t take orders from him and still disagree with him in a number of policy ares, that’s what I mean about it being viewed as an automatic black mark, not everyone who agrees with much of Sanders’ broad policy view is a batshit crazy cultist member of the unicorn brigade.
As for the professor, I should point out that the opponent (who came into the race late after national democrats wanted someone other than the professor) does insist that they’re pro women’s-rights, they just ’happen’ to be so personally opposed to abortion that they’d go on anti-abortion marches.
A bad name means they’re bad at marketing, that’s not good,e specially when combined with bad candidate selection. Candidate selection improving is a good sign, but the entire thing makes me think of Momentum over here, it’s to scattered and fractal to actully coordinate and run proper quality control.
Edited by Silasw on Jun 27th 2018 at 1:47:03 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran@Crimson Zephyr: The Democrats have plenty of people to choose from to replace Pelosi, many of them with the right experience. According to the NYT, Hoyer is the big name right now, but the party establishment is wondering whether replacing her with an older white man is good optics in these times.
Edited by Grafite on Jun 27th 2018 at 2:49:50 PM
Life is unfair...I worry about her young age since she is apparently only 28. I don't know, I feel that most people (of course it isn't a universal rule) are still too green and fresh out of wherever to really have both a grip of things and know how to get things done. It would be a shame if she turns out to be utterly aimless, which I feel is a big part of those in the Unicorn Brigade.
Don't catch you slippin' now.![]()
The youngest MP in Britain was still a student when she was elected in 2015, she won again in 2017 despite the SNP losing about a third of their M Ps and people generally seem to think she does a decent job.
Got to start somewhere.
Edited by DeathorCake on Jun 27th 2018 at 2:24:40 PM
The Supreme Court, coming off strong after screwing over immigrants, women and fair voting, has now dealt a blow to Union funding.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/27/politics/supreme-court-union-fees-decision/index.html

Let's check wikipedia, the district where Alexandria won the primary has a lean of D+29. Anyone who thinks she's going to lose the election because she's a socialist is not thinking rationally and likely trying to push a narrative.
I, for one, am glad to see more justice democrats in Congress and it very much helps in getting universal healthcare to become law with the next president.
Life is unfair...