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Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#247051: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:50:26 PM

Methinks we need to step away from the fantasies for a bit.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#247052: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:58:35 PM

Harley Davidson, the last of America's purely American vehicle manufacturers, have left the United States (Wisconsin) and gone to Europe.

Steel tariffs are too high.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#247054: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:02:20 PM

[up][up]They've only left partially, and they've been in other countries in Europe and Asia for years.

But they won't be the last.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247055: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:07:10 PM

[up][up] Deontology isn't gonna work with me buddy

Watch me destroying my country
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247056: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:08:09 PM

[up]Same.

Though I will strongly point out that this doesn't have anything to do with US politics.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#247057: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:09:38 PM

Okay, I don't even know what deontology means, so I have no clue what you thought I was trying to do. (What did you think I was trying to do anyway?)

edited 25th Jun '18 7:10:30 PM by kkhohoho

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247058: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:11:32 PM

Deontology is morality based on Mainly Principles. Basically For The Great Justice, usually associated with Lawful Good in the DND sense (to my despair as a LG Utilitarian)

Watch me destroying my country
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#247059: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:17:06 PM

I remember the "Why are Lawful Good never shown as Pragmatic Heroes" discussion

Bluntly, I think Lawful Good folk tend to view to Kant rather than John Stuart Mill.

Some things are just wrong and doing them is doing wrong.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#247060: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:28:02 PM

[up][up]Ah.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to say that brainwashing is wrong just because it's morally wrong. It was just the most immediate quote from SS that came to mind. But seriously, SS does do a good job showing why Brainwashing for the Greater Good is wrong and not just because 'It's wrong guys!' (Though the fact that you guys think that isn't good enough is somewhat disturbing.)

edited 25th Jun '18 7:28:12 PM by kkhohoho

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#247061: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:30:36 PM

Trump's Approval rating has now flatlined at 42%, according to Five Thirty Eight. That puts him in about the same position as Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, and Harry Truman were at this point in there respective terms. Does this bode badly for Democrats in 2020?

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#247063: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:37:02 PM

[up][up] ... No. Again, in the modern era of American Politics, the opposition party has almost always gotten 1 house during a Midterm. The only exception was 2002, due to 9/11 and the Afghan War. Reagan lost the Senate in '82, Congress was purely Democrat through out H. W.'s tenure, Clinton lost both Chambers in '94, Bush Jr. lost both Chambers in '06, and we all remember what happened under Obama's term.

If Trump were popular, I would say Democrats should have to worry. But Trump isn't popular, Congress is even less popular, and Democrats have been winning the majority of Special Elections even in Deep Red States like Alabama. Enthusiasm for Democrats is also way up (though not as up as the Republicans were in 2010). Everything, and I mean everything, is pointing towards Democrats taking the House and putting a good fight in the Senate.

Of course, that isn't to say we shouldn't be actively doing everything in our power to help the Democrats; especially by actively voting for them come November.

edited 25th Jun '18 7:37:31 PM by DingoWalley1

ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#247064: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:38:50 PM

Trump's not popular, true, but his unpopularity has kind of stabilized and doesn't seem to be growing despite all the controversial things he's done. He has a solid "fanbase" who seem quite willing to turn out for him in the next election.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#247065: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:43:11 PM

[up] A devoted base only works if the opposition doesn't show up to vote (or if said base is too large, like in Turkey). Democrats are clearly riled up enough to vote in solid numbers (again, look at Alabama), and I would honestly say that this Election has very few safe seats for the Republicans.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#247066: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:43:16 PM

His fanbase is the Republican party, which is shrinking due to moderate flight and demographics. Elsewhere, his approval rating is dismal.

The Midwest is about to eat a shit sandwich due to his tariffs.

And Mueller is still quietly working away....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247067: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:43:24 PM

[up][up][up]You seem determined to remain cynical even in the face of repeated Democratic victories in special elections.

edited 25th Jun '18 7:43:46 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#247068: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:46:27 PM

@M84

I think most of us are wary because of what happened on Election Night when the Great Gazoo overcame all reason and sense.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#247069: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:49:06 PM

If we're going to make comparisons to Ford and Carter, I should note that they both lost re-election.

Oh God! Natural light!
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#247070: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:49:23 PM

People just assumed Trump could not win, thus they felt didn't have to do anything.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247071: Jun 25th 2018 at 7:50:33 PM

Not sure why they were surprised. 538 did give him a thirty some percent chance to win, which is not insignificant. I admittedly was hopeful he wouldn't win, but at the same time I never really thought it was impossible.

edited 25th Jun '18 7:50:58 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#247072: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:08:11 PM

Looks like Sanders being asked to leave the restaurant last night is happening in parts of the East Coast with same incidents.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#247073: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:09:01 PM

Sanders specifically or with various Republicans?

edited 25th Jun '18 8:09:07 PM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#247074: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:23:35 PM

If this backfires on them, via their denying services to same-sex weddings and transgender people....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#247075: Jun 25th 2018 at 8:28:24 PM

"Harley Davidson, the last of America's purely American vehicle manufacturers, have left the United States (Wisconsin) and gone to Europe.

Steel tariffs are too high."

Wisconsin gave us Trump, it deserves this whipping.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

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