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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247026: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:06:51 PM

I have never heard of anyone getting anything good out of a sewer, which might actually be the point....

edited 25th Jun '18 6:07:00 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247027: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:08:52 PM

the wake of reveals in light of #Me Too has left me rather jaded in regards to human nature.

I can get the 2016 election (because it involves a entire block of people doing a Stupid Evil act), but saying that discovering the crimes of famous persons changed your opinion on humanity is just...weird.

Like, individual crimes happens all the time. What is intrinsically different with them to affect your opinion on humanity?

It's especially eroded the idea that just because someone seems like a good person doesn't mean they can't have also done terrible and deeply unconscionable things

Sincerity Mode. Anyone ever believed that? Especially here.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:10:49 PM by KazuyaProta

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247028: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:12:18 PM

I think it's understandable, in some ways celebrities are more then just strangers in that they can be connected to works that you care about and to discover that they're actually scummy people can be rather shocking and horrible.

Or they're talking about the fact that sexual assault is apparently endemic to Hollywood (and society as a whole).

Either way it's understandable.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#247029: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:13:57 PM

I thinks its less that the crimes were revealed and more that it was someone who is famous that did them. A pedestal got broken, multiple times.

[nja]

Though with the thread seemingly agreeing with Thomas Hobbes here, I'd want to ask if a unitary goverment would be more in line with his philosophy than the "one federal and 50 state goverment" model the US has?

edited 25th Jun '18 6:14:28 PM by MorningStar1337

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#247030: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:15:34 PM

[up][up] The only way to start to fix a problem is to acknowledge it exists.

This isn't new. This is finally shining a light on something that always there, and creating a long overdue dialogue about it. It's not just about celebrities, it's about revealing an a larger destructive pattern in our society.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:18:26 PM by megaeliz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#247031: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:24:29 PM

"Supreme Court favors Republicans in gerrymandering cases" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering-wrap/supreme-court-favors-republicans-in-gerrymandering-cases-idUSKBN1JL2KE

The U.S. Supreme Court sided with Republicans in Texas and North Carolina on Monday in two more cases on the contentious issue of politicians manipulating electoral district boundaries for political gain, known as gerrymandering.

The justices upheld a batch of Republican-drawn legislative districts in Texas, including two in the U.S. House of Representatives, that had been thrown out by a lower court for diluting the power of black and Hispanic voters. The ruling was 5-4, with the conservative justices in the majority and the liberals dissenting.

Separately, the justices threw out a lower court ruling that had struck down North Carolina's Republican-drawn U.S. House districts, directing that the decision be revisited in light of its ruling in a Wisconsin gerrymandering case last week that also preserved a Republican-drawn electoral map.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:25:17 PM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#247032: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:24:53 PM

Trump's pissed at Harley-Davidson for doing the smart thing and moving production to Europe in the face of tariffs. He contends that American companies will not have to pay for tariffs on imports....for some reason.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44610010

Harley is based in Wisconsin, which we all know is a swing (usually Democratic) state that Trump took and probably needs to take again if he wants a 2nd term. That said, with the GOP rank and file and elected officials (who aren't dying or retiring...) embracing Trump's economic populism and extortion tactics, I'm not sure that targeted tariffs will be enough for now.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:27:27 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#247033: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:26:49 PM

Or they're talking about the fact that sexual assault is apparently endemic to Hollywood (and society as a whole).

That's what I meant, yes.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247034: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:27:21 PM

[up][up]More of less this. Shit happens, and now we know who was shitting it.

Though with the thread seemingly agreeing with Thomas Hobbes here, I'd want to ask if a unitary goverment would be more in line with his philosophy than the "one federal and 50 state goverment" model the US has

Interesting question...

[up] And? Worse behavior happens regularly, there logically no reason to have such incidents affect your view on humanity as a whole.

My view is still the same. Humans Are Flawed and stupid. Good social order can control it to workable levels.

mod note: weird place for brainwashing condoning. let's not.

edited 25th Jun '18 7:58:52 PM by nombretomado

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#247035: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:30:39 PM

[up][up][up] Of course he does, come see the Business/Consumer double standard inherent in the system. (I'm so getting fined for that reference, aren't I?tongue)

edited 25th Jun '18 6:34:08 PM by MorningStar1337

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#247036: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:33:13 PM

This is going to be an interesting summer.

While the stock market is not a barometer of the economy, this is worth noting.

The stock market is now down for the year. It is also at risk of finishing down in the 2nd quarter.

Trump and his trade moves are solely responsible for the down markets.

Trump has been riding the coattails of a run-up that he, practically speaking, had very little to do with...

...and now the things he did have something to do with are doing damage.

None of this bodes well for Trump.

Trump has vastly overstimulated the market. He basically threw open the already-wide-open choke and pumped in more octane via a short-sighted tax cuts...

...and even so, the market is going sideways thanks to his trade stupidity.

Trump feels like he has already checked the box of having fixed the economy.

In reality, he has pushed himself out on a dangerous limb.

He's out of lighter fluid. If the coals start to cool, he's got no real levers left to pull.

The economy is effectively at full employment. Tax cuts already enacted.

Trump promised he'd fix people's lives through jobs and tax cuts.

Now he's bragging about having checked those boxes while ppl look around and see that their lives are little improved or are worse.

It's going to be an interesting summer.

Trump's narcissism will compel him to brag the most just as local papers are increasingly filled with stories of businesses being hurt by his policies.

If the economy even slightly falls back, it's going. to. get. interesting.

<end>

p.s. a week from now, some investment funds are going to have to report that they're down for the quarter and the year.

They most certainly aren't going to say "We're just bad at this."

They're going to blame Trump... and they're going to be right.

That's gonna be fun.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#247037: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:36:23 PM

A brainwashing machine to change human nature would be the best choice, but given that it don't exist, we have to work with what we have.

Ethics aside, I would not trust such a machine in any government's hands. Certainly not Trump's.

I mean, we already have debates about unjust prison sentences and the use of the death penalty, and now you want to throw brainwashing into the mix?

edited 25th Jun '18 6:38:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247038: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:38:05 PM

Who said that human goverments would use it

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#247039: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:38:47 PM

What else is there?

Oh God! Natural light!
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247040: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:39:19 PM

Maybe AI or aliens?

If we're talking about magical brainwashing devices presumably both are options tongue

edited 25th Jun '18 6:39:33 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247041: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:41:54 PM

What are you suggesting, Kazuya? That we leave it up to private corporations instead?

What you're suggesting is basically no different from privately run Cure Your Gays camps. Or those youth training camps asshole parents send teenagers to for the crime of being teenagers.

Seriously, Kazuya. Enough with the brainwashing apologia.

Why are we even discussing whether using Clockwork Orange bullshit is a good idea. WTF.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:42:57 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#247042: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:42:02 PM

[up][up] Well, honestly, both of those options might skeeve me out even more than humans using it.

To be clear, is this a serious proposal, Kazuya or just venting? If it's the latter, then I'll let it go, but if it's the former...I have some things to say.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:42:30 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247043: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:43:30 PM

This probably better belongs in the General Politics thread.

Though I will point out that it's not very similar to Gay curing camps, those explicitly don't work and are pretty much just torture.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247044: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:44:01 PM

[up] And it would be better if they did work?

Disgusted, but not surprised
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#247045: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:44:58 PM

Doubt it, just pointing out that they're fairly different.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#247046: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:45:35 PM

It's especially eroded the idea that just because someone seems like a good person doesn't mean they can't have also done terrible and deeply unconscionable things, i.e they were never really good, you just didn't know any better.

Or, crazy thought, people are fallible and can make terrible choices and mistakes that, while they shouldn't be ignored or glossed over, also shouldn't be held against them as the end all be all of their identity for the rest of eternity.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#247047: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:46:01 PM

Why are we even talking about this? Why are we even humoring this for an instant? "Oh all we need to fix society is alien god magic tech brainwashing everyone to be nice!"

[up] The problem is that all too often for too long the opposite has happened. People have gotten away with shit like this for a long time. And a lot of the time it was not just one mistake. It was a pattern of behavior.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:48:00 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#247048: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:47:10 PM

It might have gone ignored if I hadn't responded, but I did feel like I needed to say something. So if I'm to blame, my bad.

Oh God! Natural light!
Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to.
#247049: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:48:01 PM

NVM

edited 25th Jun '18 6:50:36 PM by Kakuzan

Don't catch you slippin' now.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#247050: Jun 25th 2018 at 6:48:17 PM

[up][up][up]Obviously not a realistic choice. Don't stop being funny to imagine.

edited 25th Jun '18 6:50:26 PM by KazuyaProta

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