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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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We already have a system in place to break ties/pick a victor if no one gets it: the House of Representatives picks. This has only happened twice; for the 1824 Elections (known as the 'Corrupt Bargain', as the Speaker of the House, William Clay, became John Q. Adams Sec. of State) and for the 1876 Election (where Southern Representatives agreed to elect Rutherford B. Hayes as President in exchange for Soldiers to be removed from the South).
x2 Again, if voting were Mandatory for Federal Elections, then Cities wouldn't have the outright advantage in most States (especially since many cities have populations that would side with Rural and LTS Suburban voters).
I feel like that takes the problems inherent to the FPPT system and makes them worse. Adding an extra post does not solve the issue.
edited 24th Jun '18 9:51:40 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I find the Brazilian system reasonable: if no candidate reaches 51% in the election, they have a second round only with the two candidates with the highest amount of votes (all others being eliminated) and whoever gets the most votes wins. No electoral college, only votes.
Of course voting is also mandatory in Brazil.
edited 24th Jun '18 10:24:56 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Having a straight popular vote doesn't mean rural areas are going to get ignored or left to rot. In the current system, Democrats have more reason to ignore rural red states because they're traditionally seen as conservative and unlikely to budge, so why devote resources to them? On the flipside, Republicans may campaign there, but when they get elected they won't help them at all because their platform is shit.
We know it's not necessarily true that democrats can't win in traditionally red states anymore, but imagine how much more they could benefit if they didn't have to turn the state blue in order to get something out of it.
So according to Cheeto, undocumented immigrants (or; "those people") should be summarily deported, without a hearing or a judge.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/politics/ron-johnson-immigration-cnntv/index.html
Methinks that's probably not Constitutional, but since when has that stopped the GOP from trying inane and cruel BS?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Pretty sure Trump's concentration camps already violate the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Can we say hostage situation? note
edited 24th Jun '18 11:01:21 AM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."My honest view regarding the EC is pretty much a sentimental one. I just feel that as long as the US is constituted as a Union of States, the States should have some say in how the president is elected. Obviously things have moved on and the federal government is now large enough in people's lives that direct elections to the federal level make more sense - and as such a national system such as a purely popular vote would be a good idea.
I'm happy to drop this subject for now - I kind of hoped it could be a thought experiment into if you had to have an EC based system how would you constitute it to avoid the drawbacks of the current system.
There are better ways to show that the US is a union of states, do what the EU does and have the executive consist of people sent by each member state, empower the senate more, have a presidency that rotates between individuals elected to represent regions of the US, ect...
But not the EC, if nothing else the EC has a tainted history, because, as I pointed out before, it was designed to give slave owners to ability to vote in presidential elections on behalf of thouse they enslaved.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOur country was built by slave hands on a foundation of genocide.
That is an important historical context to keep in mind when it comes to our Constitution and political traditions.
edited 24th Jun '18 12:54:02 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Gilmore's suggestion picked up enough steam to gain the attention of Canada's lawmakers. Canadian Foreign Minster Chrystia Freeland — the country's chief trade negotiator — was asked about the use of the Magnitsky Act by Erin Weir, a member of the Canadian parliament, during a question-and-answer session.
"We are now in a consultation period, we welcome ideas from all Canadians on what should and what should not be in our retaliation list," Freeland said.
Jesse Goldman, an international trade lawyer at the Canadian law firm Borden Ladner Gervais, told Business Insider that although using corruption laws to go after Trump's businesses is "within the realm of possibility," it would require a government to prove that the Trump Organization is linked to business actively engaged in corruption.
"That would be an absolute bombshell, it would rely on someone effectively blowing the whistle on some of those past business dealings," Goldman said.
Gillmore argued that the current investigations by US law enforcement provides enough justification, but Goldman was not as convinced.
"It would definitely be salacious. It would change the dialogue very quickly," Goldman said. "I would expect Canadian officials are looking at issues like that with the attitude that they'll let domestic processes in the US unfold before even considering options like that."
The other issue: Such a move would inevitably lead to irreparable damage on the US-Canada relationship. Sanctioning Trump directly would likely scuttle any negotiations to remove the current tariffs and could provoke substantial retaliation from the US president.
Trump is somehow become even more fragmented in his tweets.
.@Fox News Poll numbers plummet on the Democrat inspired and paid for Russian Witch Hunt. With all of the bias, lying and hate by the investigators, people want the investigators investigated. Much more will come out. A total scam and excuse for the Dems losing the Election!
The Russian Witch Hunt is Rigged!
Drudge Report “OBAMA KEPT THEM IN CAGES, WRAPPED THEM IN FOIL” We do a much better job while at the same time maintaining a MUCH stronger Border! Mainstream Fake Media hates this story.
.@VP Pence is heading to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania where we have both strongly endorsed one of the finest men around, Congressman Keith @Rothfus For PA. He is running against #Lamb The Sham, who is telling......everyone how much he likes me, but he will only vote with Nancy Pelosi. Keith is strong on borders and tough on crime — and loves cutting taxes! #MAGA
It’s very sad that Nancy Pelosi and her sidekick, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, want to protect illegal immigrants far more than the citizens of our country. The United States cannot stand for this. We wants safety and security at our borders!
Democrats, fix the laws. Don’t RESIST. We are doing a far better job than Bush and Obama, but we need strength and security at the Border! Cannot accept all of the people trying to break into our Country. Strong Borders, No Crime!
The United States is insisting that all countries that have placed artificial Trade Barriers and Tariffs on goods going into their country, remove those Barriers & Tariffs or be met with more than Reciprocity by the U.S.A. Trade must be fair and no longer a one way street!
edited 24th Jun '18 2:54:39 PM by megaeliz
. I've said this before, but there is only two ways to manage Narcissists.
If the answer is "happy", the first of those two is better. Give him enough air-cover to retreat with a cloud of false bravado
If the answer is "right", the second is better. Steamroll over him and wipe out his policy... which essentially neuters him not only on this issue but in a larger way.
That would have consequences though. Trump would erupt and their would be collateral damage.
Sanctioning the Trump organization would be the latter. So the question is, how much is getting back at him worth?
edited 24th Jun '18 2:59:47 PM by megaeliz
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See, its basically political suicide, outside of maybe South Korea and Japan (maybe), for a democratic leader to appease Trump. So they have to counter him, but because they still value the standard diplomatic order, they can only react to him unless they have evidence that justifies preemptive action.
And that article did mention that criminal activity has to be detected and announced before personal sanctions can go into force. Accusing the Head of State of an ally of criminal activity is not something to be done lightly.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yes, even if they had the evidence, it would be the option of last resort.
@megaeliz: his tweets for today seem almost normal by comparison — he's still ranting about tariffs and Democrats, however.
edited 24th Jun '18 3:13:05 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Who thinks the 2020 election will have actually good main candidates? Because Donald Trump might just be the most easy to mock president in US history. Yes, even more than James Buchanan and Warren Harding
edited 24th Jun '18 4:55:21 PM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

“Urban areas” didn’t just mean cities, it includes towns in rural states.
What I’d love to know is what percentage of people in each state live in an urban area, as so far I can only find that data for the US as a whole.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran