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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So...just when you think it couldn't get worse....
[[Immigrant children forcibly injected with drugs, https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-drugs-lawsuit-claim
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[[Link for anyone doubting their legitimacy https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reveal-center-for-investigative-reporting/
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This is fucking horrifying.
edited 20th Jun '18 11:00:04 AM by TacticalFox88
New Survey coming this weekend!That's the irony, though.
The Evangelicals AREN'T whatabouting for the most part. They're taking a pretty clear and unambiguous stand about their disgust. Which is really underscoring how divisive this issue is. It makes the ones who are silent all the more conspicuous.
edited 20th Jun '18 11:00:47 AM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.You know, I recently thought to myself "It could be worse, they could be killing them all". I think that says a lot about how bad the situation is. Plus, call me Captain Obvious, but Trump seems to be under duress to do something about this
, and I don't feel confident about it at all. Especially with him trying to deflect responsibility to Congress. We can probably expect angry tweets calling immigrants (and Democrats) slime quite soon.
Remember how one of the most common arguments from the right were that letting in illegal immigrants costs money? Well, between the ramped up border security, "housing" for all the detainees, legal proceedings, and now all the medication they're apparently drugging the kids with, I'm pretty sure this is costing more tax dollars than simply letting them in would have, even if they did receive "welfare".
the executive order idea was almost certainly fed to him by congressional Republicans who he just met with.
He also has a rally tonight, and between the immigration crisis and the investigation (his campaign manager just went to prision, and Cohen might be considering cooperation) it's going to be insane.
...and then he'll fire up the crowd about how Congress better do their job.
Repubs are giving him a free pass to back away from his own policy under the cover of having gotten them to commit to giving him some big, major immigration reform.
They gave him a chance to claim he strong-armed them into owning the problem... and now they're on the clock.
edited 20th Jun '18 11:20:43 AM by megaeliz
That was my exact thought, too - but when it comes to punishing people, there's no limit to the price conservatives seem willing to pay, e.g. the cost of executing someone is a lot higher than just having them sit in prison for life, due to the appeals process getting utilized.
And with the "forcibly injected with drugs" article, one thing to point out is that they're reporting on the lawsuit, not the actual findings, which is a rather crucial difference to keep in mind before jumping the gun.
edited 20th Jun '18 12:28:08 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"I am certain that he'll find some way to double down on the evil douchebaggery, all the while screeching about how it's the fault of the illegals/Democrats/Fake News/illegal immigrant Democrats running the Fake News. And equally certain that the tools are going to lap it right the fuck up.
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.I don't know, the evangelicals seem fairly opposed to it. If even 1/10 of his base decides to stay home during the midterms then things will likely go rather poorly for them. They're more or less all racists but that doesn't necessarily mean they're comfortable with child concentration camps.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIt is pointless to treat claims made by the right as issues of fact that need to be rationally debated. That's not why they make them. It's a well-documented process of throwing so many claims into a debate, regardless of whether they are blatantly false, intentionally misleading, or drawing inaccurate conclusions from facts, that the other side is forced to spend all its time debunking and rebutting them lest it lose by default.
It's not just a right-wing tactic; it's used by extremists and flim-flam artists of all sorts, and it's used because it works.
edited 20th Jun '18 11:44:59 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Both Republican-focused Immigration Bills appear to be in jeopardy as the last Teapublicans and the new Trumpeteers appear unwilling to sign either, due to both offering some form of protections for Dreamers
. This would be the most likely explanation for why Trump is backing down from the Separation policy; he can't get Congress to do it for him.
So Dreamers are still in massive danger, and even if Democrats won both Chambers in 2018 they couldn't protect them because of Trump's veto. The only positive is that Republicans are planning on a separate bill to simply end the Separation Policy, and the Wall still isn't getting funded.
Trump's rally is in Duluth tonight. For those that don't know, that's four hours north of the Twin Cities. St. Louis County was pretty much split between Clinton and Trump (along with the usual sliver of third party votes), so reception could go either way. Although of course, the only ones we'll be seeing in his rally are the superfans.
I'm just glad he's not gonna be in the Twin Cities.
edited 20th Jun '18 11:53:09 AM by speedyboris
Trump will be meeting Queen Elizabeth next month.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/trump-queen-england-visit/index.html
Not too worried, she's dealt with worse. And hey, it might make Trump look like a moron just by comparison (not like that's hard).
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

So we know all these conservative religions have been railling against Trump and the Republicans, from the Southern Baptists to Catholics and Mormons. But unsurprisingly, you know what religious organization isn't speaking out against it? Focus On The Family
are maintaining radio silence about the decision over the objection of some of their own members. Full article text I didn't realize that Daly was so good at Whataboutism, but I shouldn't be surprised from an evangelical leader.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw