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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#246101: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:10:32 AM

I was wondering what happens to the parents and the children after they get separated on the border. Do they usually get reunited and then deported together, are some allowed into the US?
I am legit expecting to find out that ICE has been selling children into the sex trade and burying parents in unmarked graves while doing the paperwork to say all people involved were returned to their country of origin.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#246102: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:14:07 AM

It wouldn't surprise me if one of these kids decades from now becomes something akin to -Killmonger.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#246103: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:18:49 AM

Killmonger was as much a US Military and CIA creation as other causes, though.

In fact, his approach of "use it when useful, ignore when not" in regards to Wakandan royal law and traditions seems a lot like a far far smarter Trump

edited 19th Jun '18 8:31:34 AM by 3of4

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246104: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:35:35 AM

But who is the candidate to support for 2020,I don't think they've come up with one yet,which is worrying
No it's not, serious candidates would not announce themselves this early and the primary isn't close to starting.

I get that 2020 is exciting but lets not be silly about this.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#246105: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:37:47 AM

The crazy long cycle of '16 wasn't a good thing either

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#246106: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:48:16 AM

So according to the man himself, calling the hardcore Trumpists Nazis isn't a Godwin's Law violation any more.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246107: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:50:18 AM

It's still inaccurate, Nazism is a specific ideology that they for the most part do not follow. Their brand of fascism is All American.

edited 19th Jun '18 8:50:27 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#246108: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:50:25 AM

[up][up][up]The long cycle of 2016 is probably what gave us Trump.

edited 19th Jun '18 8:50:50 AM by TroperOnAStickV2

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246109: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:50:56 AM

[up]A number of things gave us Trump, that is not exactly an important one.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#246110: Jun 19th 2018 at 8:59:41 AM

DOW and other stocks have been falling consistently the past few days, due to the US-China trade war kicking off in earnest. I suspect it will get worse as things escalate with Beijing, and as the grace period for other countries expires and they retaliate.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/19/investing/stock-market-today-china-trade-war/index.html

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#246111: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:09:20 AM

Remember folks trade wars are good for the economy. Thanks Trump.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#246112: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:11:14 AM

"BREAKING: U.S. plans to announce withdrawal from U.N. Human Rights Council on Tuesday - source" - Get updates at Reuters.com

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#246113: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:22:22 AM

What else can happen?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246114: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:24:31 AM

[up]What do you mean?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#246115: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:27:32 AM

He means what else will the US withdraw from,the United Nations?

edited 19th Jun '18 9:28:33 AM by Ultimatum

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#246116: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:29:25 AM

Dibs on their permanent Security Council seat

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Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#246117: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:32:50 AM

I meant what else is the country going to do to make things even worse

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#246118: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:32:51 AM

[up][up]Nah, they'll just give a 2nd vote to Russia.

edited 19th Jun '18 9:33:04 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#246119: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:36:36 AM

Y'know when Trump was first elected I said the people comparing him and his cabinet to the Nazis were going a bit far. Now I know they were right on the money.

edited 19th Jun '18 9:36:59 AM by Kaiseror

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#246120: Jun 19th 2018 at 9:55:52 AM

Erik Prince (of Darkness) founded of mercenary group Blackwater and brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has supposedly been cooperating with Mueller, according to an interview Prince gave the Daily Beast.

In a show of how little humanity Faux News in general and Laura Ingraham in particular have, Ingraham has come under fire for saying that detention camps for the separated children are essentially summer camps.

Trump's popularity has fallen sharply in swing states and in numerous mid-western states that put him over the top and had been flirting with becoming blue or purple under Obama.

Donald Trump changed the electoral map in 2016, but state-by-state polling from Morning Consult suggests that it’s changing back rather quickly.

In broad terms, the Trump shift was to do better than Mitt Romney with white voters with no college degree but considerably worse than Romney with college-educated whites. We now know this wound up having a number of specific geographic effects: Non-college whites are overrepresented in a few key swing states, so Trump's narrow wins in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan netted him a bonanza of electoral votes.

The shift let him secure an Electoral College majority while losing the popular vote pretty significantly. Part of this was the tipping point of a long-running trend. Barack Obama was already getting so few votes from working-class white Southerners that Trump couldn’t really do any better than Romney with this demographic, but he did lose a lot of votes from white college graduates in the South.

You can sum up those shifts with the striking fact that Clinton came closer to winning Texas than she did to winning Iowa, and closer to winning Arizona and Georgia than she did to winning Ohio.

But if you look at Morning Consult’s latest map of Trump’s approval rating, you’ll see it looks a lot more like the 2012 map than the 2016 map:

[[quoteblock]]Trump is underwater not just in the three critical swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin but also in Iowa and Ohio — two states Obama won that weren’t even remotely close in 2016. Meanwhile, he’s in the green in Arizona, Georgia, and Texas, suggesting that Democrats’ high hopes for riding an anti-Trump backlash to midterm success in those states may be unrealistic.

The only states in which the May 2018 approval map breaks in a serious way from the Obama-Romney map is that Trump is up 5 points in Florida, which Obama won, and up a mere 1 point in Utah, which Romney won in a landslide.

Adding onto this, 538 has state by state listing of how Trump's approval ratings have changed since his inauguration, and it's dropped in every state. Even some states that are quite red or are normally red leaning have seen his approval drop significantly or go negative, meaning more people disapprove than approve of him.

Also, a few pages back there was some confusion about who Stephen Miller is, so... Miller is a special advisor to the president who was a prominent alt-righter and a lifelong proponent of white resentment. He's distinguished by such charming stories such as when he was a young boy he found that that an equally young friend of his was the child of immigrants or had actually been an immigrant herself, (I forget which) and promptly became a bully to her and actively led groups shunning her and other immigrants. In high school and college he specialized in trolling calls for tolerance and lashing back at requirements for students to keep schools clean because that's why they had janitors.

He became a staffer for congress people like Sessions, Michelle Bachman, and others, and in between that he ran radio shows where he called for violent response to Islam, hosted guests like Bannon where he solemnly agreed with Bannon's calls about clashes of civilizations and the need for white people to stand up for themselves, and has been believed to be a prominent influencer in both the travel ban and Trump's torpedoing a moderate immigration bill with protections for DACA recipients by swaying Trump against it after Trump was initially for it. (The "shit hole countries" incident.)

He's also probably the last prominent Bannonite standing in the administration.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#246121: Jun 19th 2018 at 10:38:06 AM

So is the Gallup poll an outlier?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#246122: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:00:31 AM

Oh, I am with Godwin. Trumpists are the US version of Nazis. And so far the only notable difference is that Hitler was at least smart enough to do something for his voters (while Trump doesn't give a f...) and that Trumpist don't have the power (yet) to do what the Nazis did. But they tend to be very open about the fact that they would if they could.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#246123: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:00:37 AM

Shame, even with a blue wave we still have to put up with this bullshit for the next two years, unless Trump actually does get impeached but that's unlikely at this point.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#246124: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:07:58 AM

[up]x3 More likely, it's the last poll to come out when Trump was riding his North Korea Agreement. Less an Outlier, more a Poll that used older data.

CNN, the first Poll I know that has come after this separation policy, currently has Trump at 39% approval.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#246125: Jun 19th 2018 at 11:20:43 AM

Here's hoping.

Man, Trump's trying to justify the separation policy on the basis of procedure, that you have to split up families to criminally charge the adults. How long until they just come out and say they are mentally (at least....must be a reason they won't let observers into the holding areas) torturing children because the Republican base wants them to?

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