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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#245876: Jun 16th 2018 at 8:20:04 AM

So what are the chances we could get Republican Senators to flip and impeach Trump not due to criminal actions, but for completely sapping the US' long-term soft power?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#245878: Jun 16th 2018 at 8:23:07 AM

[up][up]They've already sold out to Russia, they don't care about American soft or even hard power abroad.

Oh really when?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245879: Jun 16th 2018 at 8:38:16 AM

[up][up][up] A snowball in hell would laugh at the odds.

Disgusted, but not surprised
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#245880: Jun 16th 2018 at 9:30:18 AM

It’s likely they’ll flip, but only so they can save their own skins from prosecution. Basically more flipping.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#245881: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:40:18 AM

I doubt too many Congressional Republicans will be implicated by the investigation. They may have made use of Trump, and are his ideological allies, but there's probably little institutional unity from which a corruption case could be built in this context. There are exceptions, though: Devin Nunes, for example.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#245882: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:52:20 AM

So I just heard that Paul Manafort is in jail! Yay, maybe they'll actually make republicans deal with the consequences of their actions now!

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#245883: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:52:53 AM

And Mitch McConnell. And possibly Bernie Sanders (unintentionally)

edited 16th Jun '18 10:56:34 AM by fruitpork

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#245884: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:53:56 AM

[up][up]Manafort just went above and beyond in his brazen attempts to circumvent the law. He's only an example of just how corrupt you have to be for a rich guy to get tossed in jail.

edited 16th Jun '18 10:55:20 AM by TheRoguePenguin

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#245885: Jun 16th 2018 at 10:56:21 AM

Oh I hope that fuckhead Mc Connell goes to jail if he helped Russian interference. What is up with Bernie? I didn't hear that part yet.

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#245886: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:20:16 AM

And turtle face is a Republican anyway, so he'd be included in the group based on the (lack of) qualifiers...

edited 16th Jun '18 11:45:12 AM by TroperOnAStickV2

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245887: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:29:14 AM

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/southern-baptists-call-off-the-culture-war/563000/

In a news I did not expect, the Southern Baptists have withdrawn support for the Republican party and dismissed their former leadership.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#245888: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:39:05 AM

[up][up][up]

I think that was just a jab at Sanders over being, in the poster's view, a Karma Houdini regarding the 2016 election.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#245889: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:41:37 AM

He also voted against sanctions on Russia.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#245890: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:49:55 AM

[up]x3 That is huge if it's true; it would mean that the Republican Party is going to lose one of it's biggest supporters, the Evangelicals (most of whom are Baptists in the USA). It would also mean that the Southern Baptists could change from a Reactionary-Conservative Religious organization into a more Liberal or Moderate one.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245891: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:55:00 AM

If that's true, it'd be interesting to see how many members actually follow suit, or just decide they should find a new faith that appeals to their prejudices.

edited 16th Jun '18 11:58:09 AM by LSBK

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#245892: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:55:57 AM

It would also mean that the Southern Baptists could change from a Reactionary-Conservative Religious organization into a more Liberal or Moderate one.

That would be a Cue the Flying Pigs moment.

[up] That.

edited 16th Jun '18 11:57:05 AM by TroperOnAStickV2

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245893: Jun 16th 2018 at 11:57:22 AM

The change has been happening in a lot of areas, including Kentucky as I mentioned. Mitch Mc Connel and his group have made it clear they don't want to do anything about the hunger crisis in Kentucky or the Opiod epidemic—deliberately blocking legislation. This had an effect with the smaller churches because they have been picking up the slack and their attempts to get help from the government have been blocked repeatedly.

Similar crises and health care issues have been leading to groundswell changes in many churches. It's why we have the churches homeless ones now admitting gay teens that right ones tried to shut down.

There's also the depressing fact many of the most conservative leaders have just died out and younger leaders (40s) just don't have the same level of hate to minorities, women, or other sexual preferences.

The Alt Right is an anti-religious organization after all.

edited 16th Jun '18 12:01:09 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#245894: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:00:21 PM

It is?

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#245895: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:01:25 PM

I think the more likely scenario is that the convention will just split, with most of the congregations going with the reactionary convention and pastors.

[up] A lot of the alt-right’s spokespeople arose from the new atheist movement, though I don’t know if that’s enough to call the whole movement atheistic. Especially not with the embrace of Christianity on a cultural level at least.

edited 16th Jun '18 12:05:11 PM by Mio

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245896: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:01:42 PM

That would be a Cue the Flying Pigs moment.

Part of it has to do with the fact the churches are staying in place versus moving leftword (but are softening on women and gay people). The Right of 2018 is not the Right of 20 or even 40 years ago even if it's only, "We used to try to hide being evil."

The Republican Party Left Me saw.

Three things boiled down to it really are hitting the fan:

  • Gay people aren't the boogeyman anymore.
  • Republicans keep trying to remove money for health care, publicly and when people need it
  • Trump's separating of children thing really is getting more attention than the media really seems to realize and disgusting at least part of his base.

Evangelical women and minorities are also a much much bigger number than they used to be (or at least in terms of position).

I think the more likely scenario is that the convention will just split, with most of the congregations going with the reactionary convention and pastors.

I too predict splitting but I think people seem to miss, again, the leadership changed because of pressure from below to the top. Not top to the below.

edited 16th Jun '18 12:03:36 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#245897: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:04:40 PM

... I've come to the point where I expect nothing remotely Christlike out of the religious right, Southern Baptists especially, so this is a nice surprise.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245898: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:08:51 PM

admittedly, there's a line which pisses me off in the article.

Though most Southern Baptists remain politically conservative, it seems that some are now less willing to have their denomination serve as a handmaiden to the GOP, especially in the current political moment. They appear to recognize that tethering themselves to Donald Trump—a thrice-married man who has bragged about committing adultery, lies with impunity, allegedly paid hush money to a porn star with whom he had an affair, and says he has never asked God for forgiveness—places the moral credibility of the Southern Baptist Convention at risk.

You know what would have been a good time to have this thought? LAST NOVEMBER.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245899: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:10:40 PM

Meh, I still think when push comes to shove they will still vote GOP in November.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#245900: Jun 16th 2018 at 12:12:16 PM

That's about how I feel.

Oh really when?

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