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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#245726: Jun 15th 2018 at 2:44:04 AM

I expected JFK to turn out to have an illegitimate child, or Benjamin Franklin(besides the one we already know about) long before Warren "you don't even know who I am" Harding

On another note on the Britton affair, I wonder what her descendants must've thought about Boardwalk Empire and its portrayal of their ancestress(assuming any of them watched it) and more (in)famous ancestor

[down] "Or", not "of", but the point still stands

edited 15th Jun '18 5:34:02 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#245727: Jun 15th 2018 at 5:01:31 AM

[up] I read that as "I expected JFK to have been an illegitimate child of Benjamin Franklin" and was very confused.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#245728: Jun 15th 2018 at 5:39:40 AM

Good explainer from the NYT about the lawsuit.

On Thursday, the New York State attorney general sued the Donald J. Trump Foundation, charging it with “improper and extensive political activity, repeated and willful self-dealing transactions, and failure to follow basic fiduciary obligations or to implement even elementary corporate formalities required by law.”

The lawsuit follows years of scrutiny of President Trump’s charitable activities and adds to the president’s extensive legal challenges, amid a continuing investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

What is the Trump Foundation?

Mr. Trump established the Donald J. Trump Foundation in 1987, when he was a New York City real estate mogul, with the stated mission of collecting and maintaining money “exclusively for charitable, religious, scientific, literary or educational purposes,” either directly or by donating to other organizations. It is a private, nonprofit corporation. In its most recent I.R.S. filing, reporting as of Dec. 31, 2016, it had approximately $1 million in assets.

Mr. Trump served as the foundation’s president from its start until Jan. 23, 2017, three days after he was inaugurated as president. Mr. Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump also stepped down from her position on the foundation’s board of directors. His sons, Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., are still members of the board.

Why is New York State investigating it?

In October 2016, then-Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman ordered the Trump Foundation to cease soliciting donations in New York, after reporting by The Washington Post revealed a host of confirmed and potential legal violations.

Mr. Trump admitted to using the foundation’s money to contribute to political causes. He was also accused of diverting funds to settle disputes involving his businesses, failing to disburse funds to charities to which he said he had given large amounts of money, and publicly claiming credit for donating funds that had actually come from other groups.

After the election, Mr. Trump announced that he would dissolve the foundation to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, a move the attorney general’s office said would require its approval, given the continuing investigation.

What are the accusations in the lawsuit?

“Improper and extensive political activity”

According to the lawsuit, the Trump foundation’s board “knowingly permitted” it to be “co-opted by Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.”

In January 2016, Mr. Trump hosted a nationally televised charity fund-raiser in Des Moines, Iowa, to raise funds for veterans’ organizations. The fund-raiser collected $5.6 million in donations, including $2.8 million directly to the Trump Foundation.

But the fund-raiser was planned, organized, financed and directed by campaign staff, according to the attorney general’s petition; and afterward, campaign staff took control of the funds, “directing the timing, amounts and recipients of the grants.”

The Trump Foundation also failed to disclose that it had donated $25,000 in 2013 to a candidate for Florida’s attorney general seat, in violation of law that prohibits private foundations from making political contributions.

“Repeated and willful self-dealing transactions”

Mr. Trump and the foundation were accused of a wide array of “self-dealing transactions,” or transactions that were designed to serve himself rather than the foundation’s intended beneficiaries.

Among those transactions were several payments of foundation funds to settle legal disputes involving Mr. Trump’s businesses, including a $100,000 payment in 2007 to settle claims against Mar-a-Lago and a $158,000 payment in 2012 to settle claims against the Trump National Golf Club.

The foundation also paid $5,000 in 2013 to a Washington, D.C., charitable organization to feature Trump International Hotels in its charity event programs, and $32,000 in 2015 to a land use organization to cover costs related to a Trump property.

In 2014, the foundation paid $10,000 to the Unicorn Children’s Foundation for a painting of Mr. Trump that hung at the Trump National Doral Miami golf resort.

“Failure to follow basic fiduciary obligations”

The suit accused the foundation of being “little more than an empty shell.” It has no employees, and the board has not met since 1999.

“In the absence of a functioning board,” the petition says, “Mr. Trump ran the Foundation according to his whim, rather than the law,” individually approving grants and disbursements with no oversight from board members.

What does this mean for Mr. Trump?

The suit seeks to bar Mr. Trump from serving on the leadership of any charitable organization operating in New York for 10 years, and to bar his eldest children, Eric Trump, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump, for one year.

If successful, it would force Mr. Trump and the three children to pay $2.8 million in restitution and damages. It would also force Mr. Trump to repay the foundation for up to double the amount of benefits he obtained after July 1, 2014 — a sum of millions. And it would dissolve the Trump foundation and require it to cooperate with the attorney general’s office in disbursing any remaining funds it possesses.

(Mr. Trump had already announced his intention to dissolve the foundation, and he has already paid more than $330,000 in reimbursements and penalty taxes since 2016.)

The attorney general also sent referral letters to the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission for possible further action.

It is unclear whether or how the suit could affect the investigation by Mr. Mueller into possible foreign interference in the 2016 election. Mr. Mueller is looking into a $150,000 payment made to the foundation by a Ukrainian steel magnate in exchange for a Trump appearance during the campaign.

edited 15th Jun '18 5:40:11 AM by megaeliz

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Oh, bother.
#245729: Jun 15th 2018 at 5:58:55 AM

If this takes off hopefully that means he won't be able to use it to fund his re-election campaign.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#245730: Jun 15th 2018 at 6:19:45 AM

That just means he'll have to borrow more money and be in even more debt to whoever is backing him

Though I'm wondering what happens when he can't pay them

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245731: Jun 15th 2018 at 6:25:13 AM

The RNC will fund him if he's still President; mark my words.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#245732: Jun 15th 2018 at 6:28:49 AM

I recall the democratic party ran out money requiring Hilary to bail them out,could a similar thing happen to Republican party?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245733: Jun 15th 2018 at 7:09:53 AM

Trump's rejecting the GOP immigration compromise. Also, taking kids from their parents is totally the Democrats' fault.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/trump-immigration-compromise/index.html

Not surprising in the slightest, but still bad.

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DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245734: Jun 15th 2018 at 7:12:58 AM

[up][up]

Somehow I don't think so. Too much big money in the form of tax cuts on offer for corporations and billionaires to not bail it out if required.

I was not aware that the Democrats had almost gone bust, why the hell are the parties allowed to take money from the campaigns of candidates still running in their primaries? That just seems like a recipe for corruption, whether it actually caused any or not.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245735: Jun 15th 2018 at 7:17:29 AM

Oh, and Trump was "only kidding" when he said that he wanted Americans to stand up straight up for him like North Koreans do for Kim.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/trump-north-korea-kim-jong-un/index.html

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245736: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:18:43 AM

Giuliani said the Mueller investigation should be suspended by the end of the day on Friday, and claimed that suspending the probe today would be Sessions and Rosenstein's last chance to "redeem themselves." Giuliani also called for Peter Strzok to be put in jail over a series of text messages sent between Strzok and fellow FBI agent Lisa Page during the 2016 election. "Mueller should be suspended and honest people should be brought in, impartial people to investigate these people like Strzok," Giuliani said. "Strzok should be in jail by the end of next week."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/14/giuliani-mueller-russia-probe-suspended-647022

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#245739: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:28:47 AM

Cohen turning is a BIG deal. It could be the last thing Mueller needs to lay everything at Trump's feet.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#245741: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:48:57 AM

Perfect shot, Hillary.

@Trump vetoing his own party: That actually makes sense. Trump has no interest in legislation on ICE because that would mean actual regulations. He wants the ICE going cowboy. Heck, he probably wants Joe Arpaio to be ICE chief.

I mean, to go back to that discussion this thread was having on fascism, one thing that Trump's style shares with fascism is antinomianism: the rejection of rules for its own sake. It's the elevation of the Cowboy Cop to ideology; the idea that rules are for people with small hands, and that Real Men Get Shit Done without having to ask permission, listen to those people upstairs who don't know what's going on or worry about some whiny brat complaining that his rights were violated when you tortured a confession out of him.

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Oh, bother.
#245742: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:56:01 AM

[up][up] The Evangelicals really shouldn't have been surprised by this.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245743: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:56:17 AM

Don't give him ideas about Arpaio!

The Evangelicals really shouldn't have been surprised by this.

They effectively sold whatever lingering respect I had for them when they supported Trump over Hillary because he is the embodiment of Mammon and she is an actual churchgoing woman. I'm surprised they've even bothered to show any sort of scruples and it is too late IMHO.

edited 15th Jun '18 8:58:04 AM by CharlesPhipps

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Lost in Space
#245744: Jun 15th 2018 at 8:56:46 AM

He doesn't need our help getting crazy ideas like that. He gets all the stupid he can handle from Hannity and Fox & Friends.

[up][up] The plight of the Evangelical Republican base is one of those things that I view with the absolute maximum level of schadenfreude that it is possible for a human being to experience. They've long shown their complete willingness to sacrifice their vaunted moral principles to get Republicans in power who represent the absolute opposite of what they claim to stand for. They deserve every damn thing they get.

"Family values" voters persistently elect people who spit on their Bible with every word and action. Screw them.

edited 15th Jun '18 9:00:16 AM by Fighteer

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245745: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:01:00 AM

Manafort's bail has been revoked and he is being sent to prison.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/judge-sends-paul-manafort-to-jail-pending-trial/index.html

Wonder if he'll flip after he realizes that prison sucks?

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Lost in Space
#245746: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:01:23 AM

Looks like Manafort is going to jail (CNN). The judge revoked his bail due to the charges of witness tampering.

[up] You sneaky ninja.

edited 15th Jun '18 9:01:37 AM by Fighteer

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#245747: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:03:03 AM

The judge considering revoking Manafort's bail is no longer considering it.

He's just being ordered to jail.

Ninjas everywhere.

edited 15th Jun '18 9:03:26 AM by Parable

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#245748: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:04:33 AM

@Ramdiel

the idea that rules are for people with small hands

Isn't that a contradiction?tongue

edited 15th Jun '18 9:05:01 AM by MorningStar1337

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#245749: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:05:21 AM

Can't wait for the pictures of him in the orange jumpsuit and mugshot!

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#245750: Jun 15th 2018 at 9:09:56 AM

Much as I would love for Sanders to leave, I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen
I'm quite sure that Sanders will, like every other Trump sycophant, get thrown under the bus if she doesn't bolt first. I'm also doubtful that she'd leak her exit to the media before executing it.
Which former president do you think has the most in common with our current one?

Jefferson. Davis, that is.

That's a little on-the-nose, isn't it? I mean, you're right.

And speaking of those religious leaders, the Catholic Bishop conference is suggesting that priests excommunicate any Catholics who help separate immigrant children and incarcerate them. I doubt we'll see any equivalent strong stances from the Mormons or Southern Baptists.

Cardinal Joseph Tobin of Newark, N.J., proposed that a group of bishops be sent to the border to inspect the detention facilities where children are kept as a “sign of our pastoral concern and protest against the hardening of the American heart.” Bishop Oscar Cantú of Las Cruces, N.M., suggested “public gestures” such as prayer vigils in front of federal courthouses.

Bishop Edward Weisenburger of Tucson, Ariz., made a bolder suggestion, raising the possibility of implementing canonical penalties for Catholics “who are involved in this,” referring to children being separated from their families at the border. Canonical penalties can range from denial of sacraments to excommunication, though Weisenburger did not specify what he intended beyond referring to sanctions that already exist for “life issues.”

“Canonical penalties are there in place to heal,” Weisenburger said. “And therefore, for the salvation of these people’s souls, maybe it’s time for us to look at canonical penalties.”

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

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