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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245401: Jun 12th 2018 at 2:39:24 PM

The merger between Time Warner and AT&T has been approved by a judge. While the Trump admin opposed this....I lack the context and knowledge to know if this will be a good thing or not.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/12/media/att-time-warner-ruling/index.html

edited 12th Jun '18 2:39:31 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245403: Jun 12th 2018 at 2:52:06 PM

Fourth[awesome]. I don’t agree with ambar on everything but he’s a smart guy

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#245404: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:12:56 PM

@Rational Insanity: Probably not good. Just because Trump doesn’t like it doesn’t necessarily make it awesome. The AT&T/Time-Warner merger is just another step toward cyberpunk-level corporate domination, regardless of how much Trump hates CNN.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#245405: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:15:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]More media and telecom companies merging is not a good thing, especially now with net neutrality soon to not be a thing.

I would not be surprised if Disney starts looking for a telecom company to buy up soon as the internet starts to look more like a feudal domain.

Imca (Veteran)
#245406: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:19:15 PM

Its a very very bad thing, and brings them even closer to a monopoly then it already was.

As said in the post above, just because Trump doesnt like it doesn't mean it is great, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245407: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:20:36 PM

Yeah, that's what I figured, one step closer to monopoly thanks to weak laws.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Imca (Veteran)
#245408: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:22:42 PM

Honestly, I do find it funny that most of the big things that Trump opposed, that were actually reasonable to oppose were anti-competitive moves from companies.

I wonder if the logic involved is him worried about compeition/other businesses when he leaves.

The main reason I wonder and not know for sure is his buisness sense is quite..... bad... over all.

edited 12th Jun '18 3:23:23 PM by Imca

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#245409: Jun 12th 2018 at 3:23:22 PM

I don't think I've seen World Net Daily brought up here before. Are they a source we need to worry about or otherwise concern ourselves with?

World net is among the crankiest of right wing cranks, from what I gather. It’s there that then Judge Roy Moore wrote his essay saying that Keith Ellison must be prevented from taking the oath to become a US Representative because he was an evil Muslim that would try to overthrow the government and see the States overrun by Muslims, and so on and so forth.

I also have to applaud Ambar’s post, as I’ve seen that specific attitude he mentioned a number of times. Every now and then I think he’s a little too quick to assume the worst of others, but like him I’ve seen the scenario play out a number of times. There is a sadly common undercurrent, even in some otherwise quite liberal/progressive people and circles, that the problems and desires of racial minorities and women aren’t “real problems” and thus take a distant second place (at best) to their own priorities like legal pot and free college.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245410: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:00:50 PM

https://thinkprogress.org/dnc-ban-fossil-fuel-companies-408e1595bcda/

The DNC no longer accepts money from Coal Companies.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#245411: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:07:03 PM

RE: Elizabeth Warren being a "dodge"

Except that ignores any other reason someone might have had for not wanting to vote for Clinton, and it'd be like calling me anti-Semitic for being willing to vote for Sanders but not necessarily for Chuck Schumer as President, based on my objection to his support for recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol.

Yes, some legitimately use it as a dodge, but equating support for her and Sanders to Black Best Friend is painting with entirely too broad a brush.

[up]

That probably won't bode well for Democrats in Texas, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, or any other area that has a large presence of such industry.

edited 12th Jun '18 4:08:44 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#245412: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:07:30 PM

[up][up] good for them.

That's a good step forward, and should help stamp out some corruption and conflicts of interest.

edited 12th Jun '18 4:08:17 PM by megaeliz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245413: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:10:35 PM

[up][up]I think the point is that if you have all these issues for voting for other women, some of which might very well apply to men but for some reason you don't blame them for it, you might just have a problem with women.

And it's convenient to have a "but I'd vote for this woman" option, especially when you know it's never going to come up because said woman has no intention of running for president.

That might not personally apply to you, but it's definitely a thing that happens.

And incidentally, have other people been having issues with post formatting lately?

edited 12th Jun '18 4:11:54 PM by LSBK

PresidentStalkeyes Eats moldy bread and flies into windows from United Kingdom of England-land Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: Do you like me? (Yes ⎕ Definitely ⎕ Absolutely!!! ⎕)
Eats moldy bread and flies into windows
#245414: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:10:43 PM

Decided to read up on things after I learned about the Trump's North Korea summit. I have to say, I really liked TobiasDrake's post about how Trump is probably some kind of authoritarian strongman fanboy. It almost seems kind of cute until you remember he's President of the United States. :V

This makes me wonder if he thinks he could possibly form some grand worldwide authoritarian alliance, failing of course to realize that strongman leaders don't tend to get their reputation through cooperation and accepting anything less than first place for their country. Though I suppose it's better this way, otherwise he might start WWIII purely in an attempt to 'outdo' them in that department. :V

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245415: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:15:57 PM

RE: Elizabeth Warren being a "dodge" Except that ignores any other reason someone might have had for not wanting to vote for Clinton, and it'd be like calling me anti-Semitic for being willing to vote for Sanders but not necessarily for Chuck Schumer as President, based on my objection to his support for recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol. Yes, some legitimately use it as a dodge, but equating support for her and Sanders to Black Best Friend is painting with entirely too broad a brush.

Except that in the context of the conversation that has been taking place today Warren was first brought up when a poster tried to downplay the sexist attacks on Clinton, Harris, and Gillibrand by pivoting to "but what about the people who'd vote for Warren."

That's a dodge. Hell, that's a dodge even if it's true and they would vote for Warren. You've tried here to say it's not analogous to the "some of my friends are black" problem, but it totally is—because even if you have lots of black friends, that doesn't mean you haven't just said something racist.

The Schumer analogy fails, by the way, because for it to be true you'd have to be holding Schumer, a Jew, to standards that you do not hold Christian politicians to, then pivoting to "I'd vote for Bernie." Because in the context of this conversation, people have been holding Harris and other female politicians to standards that they blatantly do not hold male politicians to.

"I'd vote for Warren" is not, and never has been, an appropriate response to someone suggesting your critique of another female candidate might be rooted in sexism. Not even if it's true.

edited 12th Jun '18 4:18:19 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Call me Stick
#245416: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:43:44 PM

Wait, I just remembered I lost some part of this thread way long ago. Where is it demonstrated that people are holding Clinton to an explicitly stricter standard than Bernie?

because even if you have lots of black friends, that doesn't mean you haven't just said something racist.

Saying something racist doesn't automatically make you racist. It increases the odds exponentially, but it remains possible it was just said out of non-malicious ignorance, or an attempt at a Crosses the Line Twice joke that fell flat.

"I'd vote for Warren" is not, and never has been, an appropriate response to someone suggesting your critique of another female candidate might be rooted in sexism. Not even if it's true.

Then what is?

edited 12th Jun '18 5:20:26 PM by TroperOnAStickV2

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245417: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:45:32 PM

Hasn't it been kind of a constant thing? The press et all got on Clinton's case over every little thing, major or minor, real or imagined, but glossed over things like Sanders various gaffes or his past bit of wanting toxic waste sent to Texas instead of Vermont?

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245418: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:46:50 PM

[up][up][up]That last sentence seems kinda silly. I've seen people get murderous for stating that accusations of anti semitism have been thrown around to shut up the critics even though spoiler alert it does happen a lot and then imply that somehow making that accusation is anti semitic. What you're saying sounds similar to that brand of nonsense.

I admitted that I should have acknowledged Brown. Thing is, that doesn't absolve Harris of wrongdoing. She wasn't just "tangentially related" to the case; she actively had the power to make a difference and chose not to.

edited 12th Jun '18 5:09:29 PM by LordYAM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245419: Jun 12th 2018 at 4:48:45 PM

Which only brings me back to my question: Does that actually matter, in the sense that there's an existing viable candidate that can do her current job better or be better suited to anything she might yet run for?

Like I said before, you can complain about her all you want, but unless there's a better (and, again, viable) alternative it doesn't really matter all that much.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245420: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:01:55 PM

Depends. Gillibrand might be worth it but at this point I'm gonna wait to see who's up there in the primaries before I support anyone. Even if it isn't one I'll like I'll vote for whoever the democrats pick.

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#245421: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:10:27 PM

Also gonna have to applaud Ambar for that post. FFS, just today I saw a post on another website saying that, because "establishment" Democrats focused on "identity politics," they therefore lost when they obviously should have been paying attention to "the common man."

This makes me wonder if he thinks he could possibly form some grand worldwide authoritarian alliance, failing of course to realize that strongman leaders don't tend to get their reputation through cooperation and accepting anything less than first place for their country. Though I suppose it's better this way, otherwise he might start WWIII purely in an attempt to 'outdo' them in that department. :V

Y'know, I've honestly been wondering what WWIII would look like under Trump. Here's my list of Axis and Allies:

AXIS

  • Russia
  • North Korea
  • United States
  • Phillipines
  • Turkey
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Poland
  • Hungary

ALLIES

  • Canada
  • Mexico
  • Germany
  • France
  • South Korea
  • Iran
  • Ireland

COULD GO EITHER WAY

  • China

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#245422: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:13:16 PM

[up] I'm gonna have to ask you to not put my country under the Axis banner, no matter how shitty its current gov is. In fact, I'd rather we don't discuss World War 3 scenarios outside of speculative fiction altogether.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#245423: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:25:23 PM

To be fair, Trump isn’t ‘’all’’ that racist by 1930 standards. FDR did institute Japanese internment after all.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#245424: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:31:57 PM

Meanwhile in that scenario apparently Britain has become Atlantis.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245425: Jun 12th 2018 at 5:32:05 PM

To be fair, Trump isn’t ‘’all’’ that racist by 1930 standards.

If this isn't damning by faint praise

i'm tired, my friend

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