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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245351: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:05:56 AM

I don’t think sanders is going to run. If he does I’ll loose any respect for him.

I don’t want tulsi gabbard either.

But in any case Feinstein did earn my respect for speaking out on coopers behalf whereas Allison Hartson just dodged the issue completely. She also made a denunciation of Israel’s actions these past months. I was pleasantly surprised by both.

Edit: and before anyone accuses me of hypocrisy with harris....Feinstein was a senator and had no authority to authorize testing. Harris did have the power to make a difference and didn’t.

edited 12th Jun '18 10:13:05 AM by LordYAM

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#245352: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:17:42 AM

Trump promised to order an end to regular war games that the U.S. conducts with South Korea as part of his concessions to North Korea at the nuclear summit with Kim Jong Un. Trump said he "developed a very special bond" with the North Korean leader, and said Kim had "reaffirmed" his commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. "We’re ready to write a new chapter between our nations," Trump said at a press conference in Singapore. (Washington Post / New York Times)

Eeyup. Sounds about right.

Like I said: y'all should not use his behavior around Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel as indicative of how he'll behave around Kim. Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin are a much greater indicator. Trump admires dictators like Kim.

With the G7, Trump desires supplication. He wants the United States to be acknowledged as better than the EU or Canada or Mexico. In his warped mind, these people are parasites who are only able to sustain economic prosperity because of American handouts.

But with the likes of Putin and Kim, Trump desires acceptance. He wants to prove that he can wear the Big Boy Dictator pants like they can. In his mind, these are Great Men of History who've conquered adversity and established regimes that would never dare question or undermine them the way Americans do to him. These people are his heroes.

This is why I've never really bought into the narrative that Russia's blackmailing Trump. Russia doesn't have to blackmail Trump. The only leverage Putin needs is Trump's desire for a pat on the back and a thumbs up from his favorite world leader.

It's soft power in action.

EDIT: To clarify, I'm sure Putin has a ton of kompromat on Trump. I just don't think he's using it, since Trump's a huge Russia fanboy and is more than willing to play patsy of his own volition.

edited 12th Jun '18 10:23:23 AM by TobiasDrake

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#245353: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:23:09 AM

[up][up] If Sanders does run again, he'll have to either suck it up and join the Democratic Party, or run independently of them (and take full blame when he inevitably splits the vote), now that the DNC has fixed the obvious hole in their rules to make it so that you have to officially be a Democrat to officially run as a Democrat.

edited 12th Jun '18 10:24:26 AM by TrashJack

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245354: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:23:34 AM

[tup] that.....is pretty accurate overall

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#245355: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:24:35 AM

when someone applies exacting and nitpicking standards to one female candidate after another, while refusing to apply the same standards to white men (and those endorsed by said white men), that's sexism. Pure and simple.
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#245356: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:35:35 AM

[up]x4

We haven't been sustaining economic prosperity very well even without some slightly imaginary leeching off the American government. You're doing considerably better than the rest of Europe just because your systemic deadlock in government didn't go full austerity and let the automatic stabilizers work, and I can't see the Republicans suddenly apologizing for the tax cut and reversing it any time soon so the US economy might actually be safe if this trade war can be defused.

Do you have that many social spending programs left that aren't politically untouchable like Social Security?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245357: Jun 12th 2018 at 10:49:06 AM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/06/12/day-509/

Day 509: A very special bond.

1/ The Justice Department argued that Trump could continue to profit from foreign governments visiting his hotel in Washington, D.C. if he didn't explicitly provide something in return. A federal judge criticized the argument that Trump's financial interest in the Trump International Hotel in D.C. is constitutional. The lawsuit, brought by the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland, claims that Trump's profits from the hotel violate the Emoluments Clause, which prohibits government employees from receiving financial benefits outside of their official salary. The judge promised to decide by the end of the July whether to allow the case to proceed to the next stage. (New York Times / Buzz Feed News / CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/trump-emoluments-hearing/index.html

2/ Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump earned at least $82 million in outside income while serving as Trump's advisers during 2017. Kushner reported more than $5 million in income from a Kushner Cos. apartment complex in Plainsboro, N.J. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trump-made-at-least-82-million-in-outside-income-last-year-while-serving-in-the-white-house-filings-show/2018/06/11/a41d0720-6dab-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cc17e4068a68

3/ Ivanka Trump personally made $3.9 million last year from her stake in the Trump International Hotel. She made an additional $5 million from businesses connected to her personal brand, as well as roughly $2 million in 2017 in pay and severance from the Trump Payroll Corp. Her reported income from the hotel in 2017 was much higher than it was last year, when she reported about $2.4 million in income since it opened in September 2016. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/11/ivanka-trump-international-hotel-profit-637361

4/ Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee want to interview Ivanka Trump as part of the investigation into Russian election interference. The committee wants to interview Ivanka about "two separate national security questions." Sen. Ron Wyden said investigators should ask about her role in connecting a Russian weightlifter, Dmitry Klokov, with Michael Cohen. Klokov offered to connect her father to Putin in order to facilitate building a Trump Tower in Moscow. The other issue Wyden said investigators should ask about is China's decision to grant Ivanka trademarks around the same time her father promised to help Chinese telecom manufacturer ZTE stay in business. (Buzz Feed News)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emmaloop/democrats-want-to-interview-ivanka-trump-in-the-russia-probe

5/ The Senate blocked Trump's deal with Chinese telecom giant ZTE. The Senate's move comes less than a week after Trump struck a deal with ZTE that would keep the company in business with U.S. companies and markets. The ZTE deal would have forced the company to pay $1 billion in penalties, reorganize itself, and insert U.S. compliance officers into the company in exchange for access to U.S. consumers. ZTE is considered by the U.S. intelligence community to be a mechanism for espionage by selling phones that can be tracked and enabled to steal intellectual property. (NBC News)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-blocks-zte-deal-rebuke-trump-deal-n882196

Dept. of USA vs DPRK.

*A quick collection of some of the top headlines following the Trump-Kim summit. *

Trump promised to order an end to regular war games that the U.S. conducts with South Korea as part of his concessions to North Korea at the nuclear summit with Kim Jong Un. Trump said he "developed a very special bond" with the North Korean leader, and said Kim had "reaffirmed" his commitment to the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. "We’re ready to write a new chapter between our nations," Trump said at a press conference in Singapore. (Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-kim-summit-trump-says-we-have-developed-a-very-special-bond-at-end-of-historic-meeting/2018/06/12/ff43465a-6dba-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html?utm_term=.9062092d1277

Winners and losers from the Trump-Kim summit. Many details remain unresolved, including the concrete steps that North Korea will take in the denuclearization process. Still, the summit was a historic moment with some clear winners and losers. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/12/winners-and-losers-from-the-trump-kim-summit/

Trump and Kim See New Chapter for Nations After Summit. In the statement they signed, Mr. Trump "committed to provide security guarantees" to North Korea, and Mr. Kim "reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula." (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/world/asia/trump-kim-summitmeeting.html

Historic Trump-Kim summit ends with promise, light on substance. Several experts said the summit failed to secure any concrete commitments by Pyongyang for dismantling its nuclear arsenal. They also noted the statement did not refer to human rights in one of the world’s most repressive nations. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa/trump-optimistic-on-north-korea-summit-despite-differences-on-ending-nuclear-standoff-idUSKBN1J72PM

Trump's optimistic news conference after meeting with Kim Jong Un, annotated. Trump on Tuesday hailed a “comprehensive” agreement with North Korea at a news conference after meeting with Kim Jong Un in Singapore. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/12/trumps-optimistic-news-conference-after-meeting-with-kim-jong-un-annotated/

Full text: The joint statement signed by Trump and Kim. (Politico)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/full-text-trump-kim-korea-summit-637541

Notables.

Five states are holding primaries today: Nevada, Virginia, Maine, South Carolina and North Dakota. This is everything you need to know about key races in each state.

https://talk.whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/t/the-2018-midterm-election-schedule-primaries-and-key-dates/3493

White House trade adviser Peter Navarro apologized for his "special place in hell" comments directed at Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g7-summit-navarro/white-houses-navarro-apologizes-for-special-place-in-hell-comment-idUSKBN1J8205?

Trump's economic adviser suffered a heart attack. Larry Kudlow is currently being treated at Walter Reed Medical Center in Maryland. A White House spokesperson said Kudlow is "doing well" after suffering a "very mild heart attack." (Politico / Bloomberg / CNBC)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/11/kudlow-suffers-heart-attack-trump-tweets-637534

The Department of Justice will likely issue a public report next month on foreign efforts to interfere in U.S. elections and how to combat them. Jeff Sessions convened a cyber-digital task force in February, after facing criticism from Democrats to do more to address future foreign interference. (The Hill)

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/391812-doj-likely-to-issue-public-report-on-foreign-election-interference-in

Ted Cruz defended the Trump administration's policy of separating families at the border, saying it can be avoided if people stop illegally crossing the border. The separation happens regardless of whether a migrant is seeking asylum. (The Hill)

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/391699-cruz-defends-trump-policy-of-family-separation

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#245358: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:07:52 AM

But with the likes of Putin and Kim, Trump desires acceptance. He wants to prove that he can wear the Big Boy Dictator pants like they can. In his mind, these are Great Men of History who've conquered adversity and established regimes that would never dare question or undermine them the way Americans do to him. These people are his heroes.

I wonder if that means you could get him to reaffirm the Iran deal by just putting him in the same room as Ali Khamenei and letting them be bros for an hour.

Anyway, while Trump's certainly going to sell the summit as an unqualified success, I don't think he'll wring as much good publicity out of it as he could have. Part of it is the proximity with the G7 summit, which changes the implicit narrative presented from "Trump is a great dealmaker" to the more true "Trump only knows how to get along with dictators".

Also, Trump came off as the one capitulating to Kim rather than the other way around, which isn't a good look for him.

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#245359: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:12:11 AM

states are holding primaries today: Nevada
Already sent my ballot in.

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#245360: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:44:02 AM

I've got to wonder why people in this thread are repeatedly putting their hopes on Warren when the woman has said repeatedly herself that she doesn't want to run for president and considers her skills best used where she is. And she's got a point; we can't just throw all of our best people at the presidential position. All the other positions matter just as much, if not more. The years of obstruction with Obama should have taught us that already.

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#245361: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:44:05 AM

[up][up][up]Not going to work, his party despises Iran so that's going to poison it from the get go and they're Muslims so I doubt Trump will be as comfortable around them as he is around Putin or Kim.

[up]The thread isn't a hive mind, some people want her to run for President while others do not.

Personally I don't really care if she does or doesn't and I doubt she will for the reason you just gave.

edited 12th Jun '18 11:45:05 AM by Fourthspartan56

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245362: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:50:05 AM

Warren is well liked and capable of doing the job as well as electable. If we wanted to get a uniter of the Democrats as well as someone capable of cleaning up the Trump mess then she's fully capable of doing it.

Joe Biden could do the job but I think Warren would be better.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245363: Jun 12th 2018 at 11:53:05 AM

[up]She's also said that she's not interested in running, maybe she'll change her mind but as of now if nothing changes she's not going to run.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245364: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:06:36 PM

I remember people here generally souring on Warren awhile back, but I don't remember what about.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245365: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:08:08 PM

Part of the issue is a lot of people are still racist and sexist at least subconsciously. That would probably hinder Kamela Harris if she ran, even warren

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245366: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:08:26 PM

[up][up]I believe it was when she jumped on the Donna Brazile bandwagon.

[up]That doesn't sound like a downside to me, that shit needs to be confronted.

edited 12th Jun '18 12:08:50 PM by Fourthspartan56

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245367: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:14:06 PM

It should but look at how many people were still bitching about Obama because he was a dude. Someone who’s not only black but a woman and indian? Dear god the right wing would go all out come election time.

They’ll take illegitimate talking points (I’ve seen plenty of people complain that she cares more for illegal immigrants than locals or that she chose not to pursue the dp for a cop killer) and overexxagerate legitimate blunders (i wouldn’t be surprised if regardless of how the whole cooper drama plays out that it will be revived come 2020. If he’s guilty they’ll say she was conned; if innocent they’ll say she was responsible for prolonging his agony for another few years) and use them in a way that will probably make what happened with Hillary seem tame

My moms a Hillary supporter and firmly believes she lost in large part to sexism. Warren would face a similar struggle

edited 12th Jun '18 12:18:51 PM by LordYAM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245368: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:15:30 PM

Yes? And?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245369: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:20:32 PM

Sexism was definitely a part of why Hillary lost, racism definitely part of why things were so hard for Obama, and Harris would certainly be hit by both. But that just means those prejudices need to be confronted, not placated.

edited 12th Jun '18 12:26:03 PM by LSBK

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#245370: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:25:35 PM

Trump says he’ll punish ‘the people of Canada’ because of Trudeau’s news conference

WASHINGTON and OTTAWA—Escalating his attack on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, U.S. President Donald Trump is now pledging to punish “the people of Canada” economically because of the post-G7 news conference in which Trudeau criticized Trump’s tariffs.

“That’s going to cost a lot of money for the people of Canada. He learned. You can’t do that. You can’t do that,” Trump said Tuesday in Singapore after meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.

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#245371: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:28:58 PM

There is plenty of merit in "minority candidates face an uphill battle."

But your words read worryingly like "... so we shouldn't bother fielding them." Minority status may cause difficulty, but it's hardly an absolute deal-breaker if they're the best candidate.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#245372: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:30:23 PM

[up][up] He literally can't help it.

Narcissist goal: avoid humiliation at all costs got engaged.

I imagine he's also taking out frustration from his meeting with Kim Jong II

edited 12th Jun '18 12:31:56 PM by megaeliz

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245373: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:31:03 PM

[up][up]Exactly my thoughts.

edited 12th Jun '18 12:31:11 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Imca (Veteran)
#245374: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:38:49 PM

(I don't think any Nuclear Nation has ever fully gotten rid of their nukes)

Ukraine did, which is why no other nation will.

edited 12th Jun '18 12:39:52 PM by Imca

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245375: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:39:58 PM

South Africa denuclearized.

[up]Doesn't count, they didn't control those nukes and thus didn't lose anything from moving them away.

edited 12th Jun '18 12:41:32 PM by Fourthspartan56

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