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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Better then expected is not a win, there has to be a clear benefit and I simply don't see it. Sure his hardcore base will probably cheer this on as a component of their mindless isolationism but I don't see any evidence that it will endear him to anyone beyond them.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:08:07 AM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI did say that Bernie shouldn’t run again in the future and that overall Feinstein made a stronger show of integrity than Allison Hartson (the wolfpac candidate). I still feel that any candidate who reaches a certain age should step down. Same thing with Supreme Court justices (john Paul Stevens stepped down when he realized that his mental health was decaying for instance rather than dragging things out for years)
She still had the power to authorize testing back then; she consciously chose not to and only reversed her stance after it got mentioned in the New York Times and after she no longer had the power to influence things directly. It’s not as blatantly awful as Jerry Browns actions (the guy got the petition more than two years ago so his “we’re still reviewing it” is a pretty blatant lie) but it’s still pretty shitty (Cooper himself made it clear he was not at all impressed by her about face). If Bernie sanders had done that he’d rightfully be condemned, and Jerry Brown currently is getting a lot of shit for it (and rightly so) despite his status as a progressive idol.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:16:20 AM by LordYAM
Net Neutrality officially died yesterday
. Anyone notice their Netflix or Face Time slowing down?
"If Bernie Sanders had done that he'd be rightfully condemned."
That's a good one. Got any more jokes you'd care to share with the class? Sanders has never been held responsible for anything he's done by his fanbase. We still get an endless parade of people trying to defend his vision of "whites only socialism" and complete tone deafness. The entire pivot to bashing Kamala Harris, of which yours is only the latest example, is just another iteration of the Sanders "movement" trying to silence or discredit a nonwhite, female rival for the position of most loved progressive politician.
Over the past two years, every time a Democrat—and especially a Democratic woman or minority—has come to national prominence, the same group of brocialists start digging up manufactured scandals in order to preemptively discredit them, and remove any obstacles in the way of Bernie 2020 or Bernie's Handpicked Successor 2020. It's transparent, and more than a little bigoted, and I sincerely hope it earns them nothing but rejection come the actual primaries.
Oh, and don't try to pretend Jerry Brown's catching any flak for this. You didn't even mention Jerry Brown until Larkman forced your hand. You tried to position this entire affair as being on Kamala Harris.
... and people who'd happily support, say, Warren, what of them?
Yes I'm aware that Warren is white, and we're discussing racism and not sexism. But my point stands, accusations of bigotry can be a dodge or mudslinging.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:37:10 AM by TroperOnAStickV2
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.Would warren be a bad choice?
And no Browns gotten a lot of criticism for it online. Just like Harris. I also was interested in this case long before I’d ever heard of Kamela Harris so my frustration with Harris’s actions wasn’t due to being a “Bernie bro”. Nick Kristof had likewise been writing about cooper since 2010 (before Harris was even ag) so when he called her out alongside Governor Brown he wasn’t manufacturing a scandal to hurt her chances. He genuinely was diasspointec by what he saw as a lack of action on her part.
Brown deserves all the ire he gets. But Harris is not some blameless little lamb in this situation.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:41:57 AM by LordYAM
Says the guy employing the classic dodge of "I'd vote for Warren." This was the rallying cry of the brocialists when the sexism of their attacks on Clinton was pointed out. Or at least it was their rallying cry until Warren endorsed Clinton. Then they made all the same attacks on her that they'd made on Clinton and said "I'd vote for Jill Stein."
The remarkable thing about the sexist left: somehow there's always some woman, somewhere they'd be willing to vote for, but she's never actually on the ticket. Must be a coincidence, right? I mean, surely they also run low on white men they'd support...oh wait. They don't.
If you're going to try and defend the sexism of the attacks on Harris, Gillibrand, etc, please come up with something stronger than "they'd vote for Warren." That old saw is old hat now. We've seen it a thousand times since 2016 and we know how the reality plays out.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:44:04 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Honestly, you're reading too much malice in to all this. People can like or dislike a politician for reasons beyond bigotry.
Wait, that can be read more as "they have a problem with Clinton specifically" than "they have a problem with a woman".
edited 12th Jun '18 9:49:56 AM by TroperOnAStickV2
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.The thing is, if I'm following this all correctly and assuming you're responding to Ambar, LordYAM either isn't one of those people or is presenting their arguments in such a way that they look like he isn't by doing things like focusing on an article as proof of Harris wrongdoing even it sounds like it barely even mentions her in any way.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:53:57 AM by sgamer82
And when the "I'd vote for Warren" dodge fails, simply accuse your opponent of being overly sensitive and reading too much into things. Folks, we have a BINGO.
Seriously, we've seen all this before. We know how this conversation plays out. If you're going to pretend that the accusations raised by the brocialist left against Harris et al have nothing to do with sexism, at least try harder. Give us something we haven't seen.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:51:17 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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I think we're on the same wavelength/I understand that. I'm just making the point.
I can't speak for everyone, but what makes you so convinced it has to be sexism?
edited 12th Jun '18 9:52:25 AM by TroperOnAStickV2
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.Exactly. I care more about the death row inmate than harris; bill Lockyer and Jerry Brown also dropped the ball on that case and in lockyers case were rather racist about it despite their beliefs they weren’t.
Part of the issue with Harris is that she reversed her stance literally a day after the article called her out on it. If she’s said she did it because she thought he was guilty I’d be disappointed but at least no one could accuse her of opportunism.
She said “testing should be done and I feel awful.” Yet when she had the actual power to do something she did the same thing as the old white dudes who preceded her did and sat on it. That was a chance to do something for justice even if it was unpopular......but she didn’t do it. Brown May have failed the test....but so did she
edited 12th Jun '18 9:54:46 AM by LordYAM
So a politician changed gears after enough public outcry?
In all seriousness, isn't that what politicians do? To some extent, isn't that what we want them to do? If not, then what are all the protests and outcry for?
So, my big question here, Harris failed "the test". Does it matter? Does it do anything to change her suitability for her current or some future role in place of an already existing Challenger (vs some nebulous potential Liberal Messiah)?
edited 12th Jun '18 9:58:43 AM by sgamer82
The evidence. Seriously man, when someone applies exacting and nitpicking standards to one female candidate after another, while refusing to apply the same standards to white men (and those endorsed by said white men), that's sexism. Pure and simple.
At this point it's on the brocalists to prove otherwise. And not by screaming "I'd vote for Warren (until she endorses another woman)" again and again.
edited 12th Jun '18 9:59:42 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
There was more there, or at least more known about, to pick on. If Bernie has ended up the candidate his dirty laundry would probably have been aired to a similar degree, but we'll never really know at this point.
edited 12th Jun '18 10:02:49 AM by TroperOnAStickV2
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.

My point is more that he was in a no-lose situation. The bar is so low from his critics that anything short of Seoul getting vaporized during talks is, at worst, "better than expected."
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