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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Farmhands are employed primarily by the corporate farmers.
On many independent farms, the name for farmhand is, "family."
Of course, we keep running into this rich farmer fallacy which is about as insane as they can get.
Mind you, the collectivization of farming in the Soviet Union was one of the greatest expressions of class betrayal in their revolution.
edited 11th Jun '18 8:13:24 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.That seems like a different problem than the one of poverty.
There's no suggestion to switch from industrial farming to independent farming, merely protect a vulnerable class that exists and does contribute.
In our current economic climate, we have a lot of bullshit jobs. This would just be another and less bullshit than most.
edited 11th Jun '18 8:18:26 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
X3 Not saying they’re rich, but they stopped being working class when they started owning the land. Also farmhands are totally a thing for small farms, not an entire team, but one or two guys plus two adult aged kids. I’ve seen smaller, but let’s not pretend that more sizeable ones don’t exist.
X4 Farmers in Russia didn’t own the land, they were tied to the crown’s land and forced to farm it, in the American context they’d have more in common with plantation slaves than modern land owning farmers.
It doesn’t contribute in a meaningful way, and no most jobs arnet more bullshit, most jobs provide income for the worker. Unprofitable small businesses are one of the highest forms of bullshit jobs.
edited 11th Jun '18 8:23:24 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOkay I missed this one from Megaliz, but could you please explain what the issue is here?
I could have sworn that at diplomatic meetings between multiple countries the flags were suposed to be at the same height, and that the home country flag being higher then the other flags is for non-diplomatic purposes?
I am not a flag code expert though.... as in I know very little about it, hence asking.
edited 11th Jun '18 8:22:40 PM by Imca
http://theweek.com/speedreads/778354/imminent-murder-no-longer-qualifies-asylum-sessions-announces
Sessions is making it clear that your imminent murder is not an issue for the USA when considering asylum.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I will also admit to not being sure about the flag issue. Yes, NK is a brutal dictatorship, but if the problem is that the American flag and the North Korean flag are at the same height and that makes us look like equals, then I'd argue that meeting Kim in an ostensibly diplomatic summit already legitimizes NK. Putting our flags a meter above theirs does nothing to change that, especially when the meeting is on Korean soil.
So... yeah. What's the general accepted practice for this, and why is this a violation? I will admit to thinking that AltUSPressSec has an overdramatic streak, so I'd like to be sure that this is actually worth getting upset about, and why.
I stand corrected almost immediately, thanks. Let me correct myself to 'not on US soil', to spare myself a bit of embarrassment from not paying attention to news.
edited 11th Jun '18 9:49:37 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.As the tweet chain mentioned, this wasn't done during the Iran Nuclear Deal negotiation. It's not actually necessary.
This isn't "respect". This flag thing is Trump going the extra mile to suck up to Kim. It's disgusting. Especially in the wake of the G7 clusterfuck.
This is where we are now. The US President shits all over some of the USA's oldest allies and sucks up to dictators.
edited 11th Jun '18 10:55:46 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedWhether Trump is successfully impeached and convicted (highly unlikely, but we can hope), loses reelection in the next 2 years (likely and hopeful), or is reelected and serves another full term (God forbid), I wonder how he'll be received immediately after office.
The norm seems to be for the heart grow fonder after Presidents are out of office, will that be another way that Trump bucks the norm? We can only hope.
As the person who brought up Kamela Harris earlier I am still a little puzzled why people didn't comment as much on the NY Times article. Harris has certainly done a lot of good (hell I actually defended her on twitter a little bit when some guys made the "oh she cares more about illegal immigrants than black people) and she did ultimately reverse her stance.
The issue I had was that she presents herself as very progressive, fighting for the little guy, combating injustice.....
And here comes a death row case that's literally up there with some of the worst excesses of the deep south (a brutal murder, a black man framed for a crime most likely committed by three white dudes, and shameless racism). His attorneys make a request for testing that will in all likelihood clear the matter up, and the state won't have to pay anything (so if the guy is guilty and the state proven right no taxpayer money will have been wasted, whereas if he's cleared again no taxpayer money was wasted.) Harris was in a position where she could have potentially righted an injustice....yet instead she just sat on it. And to add insult to injury she reverses her stance AFTER she can't really make as much of a difference AND after she got very publicly called out on it.
It doesn't undo the good work she's done, or that she would be a worthy president. But it's still a serious blunder at the very least and kinda clashes with the image of someone who combats injustice (since again she ignored a pretty fucking blatant one). And yet people either don't really care or dismiss it as "bashing" her. No comment on the guy currently facing execution on death row for a crime he most likely was framed for because apparently that matters less than that someone said something mean about Kamela harris.
edited 12th Jun '18 12:24:41 AM by LordYAM
I was more irritated that it was dismissed as "Kamela Harris bashing" at the time or that it was just "irrelevant". Considering Harris's image as someone who combats injustice the fact that she ignored a pretty glaring one seemed rather hypocritical. I'd have thought it was worth a bit more comment.
I've also been following this case for longer than I've even heard of Kamela Harris, so I found Ambar's accusation that I was just demonizing her to be rather insulting.

I'm not sure how most of Europe treated Farmers at the time, but I have the feeling it wouldn't have been much better. And in nations like Russia, where most people were legally tied to the land they plowed, they would absolutely be considered the Proles of their society.
edited 11th Jun '18 8:13:22 PM by DingoWalley1