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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245176: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:03:03 PM

Out of curiosity....is Gerald Ford a genocide denier? I mean he called himself a “Young Turk”.

Look at the strawman people. Look how easily it blows over in the wind. What's hilarious is the way they seem to think there's anyone in the thread attached enough to Gerald Ford to leap to his defense.

And how is it “anti kamela?” I agree with her policies but this particular case is a massive wtf moment; she could have in her capacity as she potentially helped remedy an injustice......and she sat on it. Only doing a 180 a literal day after she was called out. She’s better than tulsi but as far as skeletons go it’s a majorly fucked is one

Please, ever since Harris first came to public attention for standing up to Trump, the Unicorn Brigade has been desperately searching for dirt on her, digging up every little thing they can, and doing everything in their power to ensure that she's held to a standard they'd never hold Sanders or any other "progressive messiah" to.

We're watching a case of it in action right now, as someone who has spent the last several pages trying to exonerate TYT of any wrongdoing tries to change the subject to Kamala bashing.

When you're ready to hold "progressive" men to the same standards you're trying to hold a woman and person of colour to, get back to us. Otherwise, please, just stop.

edited 11th Jun '18 1:03:58 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#245177: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:06:20 PM

Also, really, attacking Feinstein for her age? Sanders is in his late seventies and has been in Congress for thirty years. He's a member of The Establishment (TM) too. When does he have to go?
But he has a penis, that automatically means he's tougher and healthier than some dumb ol' librul broad!
What do you guys think of the “classical liberals” like Dave Rubin or Bill Maher
Maher's a hypocrite and an asshole. I don't know who Rubin is.
Out of curiosity....is Gerald Ford a genocide denier? I mean he called himself a “Young Turk”.
I don't know, bust out a ouiji board and let's ask him.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245178: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:07:57 PM

While it's perfectly fine to criticize Democrats, if your criticisms mostly amount to "they aren't perfect" without taking into account the actual context of their situation or opponent (or, actually, even if you do do that) it's not valid.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245179: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:11:07 PM

But he has a penis, that automatically means he's tougher and healthier than some dumb ol' librul broad!

Exactly. I mean, the pattern here is pretty obvious. Feinstein is too old, Sanders is not. Cenk must be defended from accusations of past wrongdoing, Harris must be held accountable. Etc, etc.

It's like 2016 again.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245180: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:11:57 PM

[up][up] It's "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

Liberal Messiahs aren't worth much when they don't get elected

edited 11th Jun '18 1:12:52 PM by sgamer82

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245181: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:12:03 PM

Uh I agree that cenk is an asshole. I barely watch his show anymore and prefer other channels like ring of fire. The issue is more to point out that he has actually acknowledged it happened and was pretty clear it was genocide. It’s more “the mans a massive douche but he’s still improved”.

I also said I wasn’t bothered that Feinstein won and in fact felt she showed more integrity than the wolf pac candidate (Feinstein took the inmates side the wolfpac candidate kept her mouth shut and ignored the issue.). Likewise I feel Bernie’s moment has passed and would be horrified if he ran again because as said he’s gonna be in his 80s.

The reason I brought up the article was to discuss capital punishment and the fact that it reawakened controversy in CA (Jerry Browns also come under fire for his handling of the case and he’s basically Bernie’s age in that he’s an elderly white dude with the image of being progressive.”) Hell he comes out worse than kamela since she at least changed her views. Kristof is actually on record as supporting Harris.

It’s also why I voted for Dave Jones for my states AG. Jones at least promised to try and do justice whereas Xavier Becerra is content to dodge it. Well that and that Becerra committed a felony.

edited 11th Jun '18 1:15:25 PM by LordYAM

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#245182: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:14:17 PM

I know members of congress wouldn't pass this, but I think there should be a retirement age requirement at 80 years old. That's already more time than most jobs have and the makeup of congress needs some renovating from time to time to represent the younger populace well enough.

Life is unfair...
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#245183: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:16:36 PM

It would be nice if progressives were consistent and called out Sanders on the fact that he's not exactly going against the buck to fight the military industrial complex.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245184: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:17:37 PM

A so-so Democrat is infinitely better to have in a seat than a Republican. Saying otherwise reeks of a frankly shocking sense of entitlement.

The Democratic Party pushes its agenda, finds itself not making a coalition with the people who are further to the Left than them and not further to the Right (thank God for that) and then is shocked when no enthusiasm for them or even losses result.

They are not entitled to my vote. They are ASKING for it and if they want it, maybe they should offer something other than "better than the wholly racist and criminal group."

I mean, I'm still voting for them but we have people dying in the streets in Kentucky. 5000 overdoses every year, mass hunger (particularly of children), and there's almost no decent work to reach the people here to get them to flip.

And I say that fully disgusted with the voters in Kentucky.

edited 11th Jun '18 1:17:54 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245185: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:17:38 PM

Agreed. That Mc Cain is sticking around despite having cancer just seems irresponsible. It’s like....just spend your last days in peace.

Charles Krauthammers doing that (he wrote a final farewell column and plans to just spend his final weeks in peace.) I don’t agre with him but that’s far more principled a stance to have.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245186: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:18:17 PM

Mc Cain is spending his last days in office fighting the evils in his party.

At least someone is.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245187: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:18:57 PM

And did anyone read the dp article? The entire case from start to finish is fucked up.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245188: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:20:28 PM

Mc Cain voted for the tax cuts. That’s not fighting. In any case he has cancer. At that point you’ve earned the right to rest. It’s not even negative. He fought for years, he did both good and bad....he should spend comfort in his final days

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245189: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:20:39 PM

They are not entitled to my vote. They are ASKING for it and if they want it, maybe they should offer something other than "better than the wholly racist and criminal group."
In the current climate where that's the actual alternative, what more do you really need?

We can worry about moving more to the left once we have the luxury of being able to move left in the first place.


"Attorney General Sessions limits asylum for domestic violence victims" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-sessions-asylum/attorney-general-sessions-limits-asylum-for-domestic-violence-victims-idUSKBN1J72HP

edited 11th Jun '18 1:23:00 PM by sgamer82

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#245190: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:21:56 PM

And yet he hasn't changed the name of his show. When he does that...

It's cool, he's taking it back.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#245191: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:24:24 PM

[up][up][up]Jesus, Sessions sure loves going beyond to be horrible.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245192: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:25:52 PM

Cenk named his group after mass murderers, then denied said instance of mass murder. That he's changed his stance—without actually admitting wrongdoing, mind you—is irrelevant. We know what he thought when he founded the group, and we know why he called it that. And if you held him to the same standards you're trying to hold Harris et al to, you'd be demanding his head.

I know members of congress wouldn't pass this, but I think there should be a retirement age requirement at 80 years old. That's already more time than most jobs have and the makeup of congress needs some renovating from time to time to represent the younger populace well enough

So we should force qualified people out of office because they've passed an arbitrary age line. Nonsense.

Agreed. That Mc Cain is sticking around despite having cancer just seems irresponsible. It’s like....just spend your last days in peace.

Let's blame a dying man for how chooses to spend the last months of his life. Classy. I don't even like McCain and I find that thoroughly tasteless.

The Democratic Party pushes its agenda, finds itself not making a coalition with the people who are further to the Left than them and not further to the Right (thank God for that) and then is shocked when no enthusiasm for them or even losses result. They are not entitled to my vote. They are ASKING for it and if they want it, maybe they should offer something other than "better than the wholly racist and criminal group." I mean, I'm still voting for them but we have people dying in the streets in Kentucky. 5000 overdoses every year, mass hunger (particularly of children), and there's almost no decent work to reach the people here to get them to flip. And I say that fully disgusted with the voters in Kentucky.

Another day, another case of "let's pretend Trump voters are secret socialists." The people of Kentucky are not to the left of the Democratic Party. Neither are Sanders and his cronies. Complaining about how the Democrats lost Kentucky because they didn't forge an alliance with "people to the left of them" is therefore an exercise in comedy twice over.

There are no "people to the left" to form an alliance with, and even if there were, doing so would not win over racist white folks. Both claims are a no-go from the start.

And that, for the record, is why most of us don't take criticism of the Democrats very seriously. Because it's almost always this half-baked, "let's pretend there's a pool of socialists in the South and/or that Bernie is to the left of the party" crock. Come up with a real argument, some real criticisms, and a real plan of action. Then you'll have our attention.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245193: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:26:47 PM

No surprise there. Though gulliani’s implosion is also surprising. It’s like he built up a reputation as a smooth lawyer when he’s behaving like a raving idiot

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245194: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:33:54 PM

Part of it is personal experience. My grandmother was a university professor until age 90. Thing is by that point she wasn’t really able to teach and was doing it mostly to stave off boredom.

My grandfather also insisted on teaching even when he had cancer. His class could tell he was sick but he still did it and it may well have effected his performance.

I firmly believe that if you have something like cancer or reach a certain age there’s no shame in retiring. If you’re actively dying it just seems harmful.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245195: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:34:19 PM

Another day, another case of "let's pretend Trump voters are secret socialists." The people of Kentucky are not to the left of the Democratic Party. Neither are Sanders and his cronies. Complaining about how the Democrats lost Kentucky because they didn't forge an alliance with "people to the left of them" is therefore an exercise in comedy twice over.

Actually, currently, the Secretary of State in Kentucky was elected on a popular ultra-liberal platform with overwhelming massive support. Alison Grimes did so by going far left of the party and appealing to the voters with an agenda that is further left than the Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Lundergan_Grimes

Kentuckians love her. She repeatedly based her campaign around the fact Democrat parties in Washington ignored Kentucky as well as ran "Republican lite" platforms. Mind you, I will say she's pro-gun because that's an otherwise nonstarter in the state.

Honestly Grimes should be Governor but she's currently working on homegrown state reps to help her in the sea of red.

edited 11th Jun '18 1:37:55 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245196: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:35:38 PM

"No shame in retiring"=/="must retire".

Also, Sanders is 76. He will be 78 in 2020, which would make him 80 halfway through his first term if he were elected president. With that in mind, best not see anyone making this "politicians should retire at 80" argument come out in support of Bernie 2020.

[up] They love her so much that she lost her 2014 Senate bid against Mitch McConnell. Your own link refutes your argument.

Also, according again, to the page you yourself linked to, she opposes EPA rules on powerplant emissions, delayed the employer mandate for the ACA, supports Israel's Iron Dome...yeah, what a progressive hero.

That's just what I got from the information you provided. I wonder what else I'd find if I went digging through her past, the way the fauxgressives do for the likes of Harris, Gillibrand, et al. I'm not going to, because I'm happy there's a Democrat in that position at all, and if those are the compromises she's had to make to stay in power, good for her.

But sure man. By being a middle of the road Democrat she proves the South wants socialism.

edited 11th Jun '18 1:45:01 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#245197: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:35:43 PM

The reason I brought up the article was to discuss capital punishment
We have a death penalty thread IIRC.
I think there should be a retirement age requirement at 80 years old.
Just for Congress, or universally?
Mc Cain is spending his last days in office fighting the evils in his party.
Hahahaha no he's not. He's enabling them, just like he has for the last ten years (if not longer).

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245198: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:37:02 PM

Hahahaha no he's not. He's enabling them, just like he has for the last ten years (if not longer).

Theater or not, it was Mc Cain's vote that destroyed the AHCA repeal

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245199: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:38:54 PM

I agree that Bernie shouldn’t run at all. I’d prefer Elizabeth earn or some other younger candidate

Maybe it’s from observing my grandmother but I think that stubborn refusal to give up your career can be harmful. My grandfather continued trying to teach even as the cancer that killed him started to ravage his body. That just.....seems wrong to me.

[up]And then he voted to repeal it anyway. So no. He sold out

edited 11th Jun '18 1:41:29 PM by LordYAM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#245200: Jun 11th 2018 at 1:38:56 PM

The issue with The Young Turks is that it spends a lot of time representing itself as "independent media" and therefore automatically better than the corporate media, when in reality, it is basically a commentary channel. It just parrots news from the established outlets, and then gives their own spin and opinion on it. And this hatred becomes especially ridiculous when they attack people like Rachel Maddows. Don't get me wrong here, there is a lot to complain about regarding the media landscape in the US, but instead doing a sweeping "corporate media is evil, leftist independent media is good" statement, it would be way more productive to acknowledge the trustworthy outlets and the news shows which actually do good work. Rachel Maddows was pointing towards questionable connections to Russia which looked like money laundering regarding Trump months before the whole Comey affair even became a thing. John Oliver does an excellent job taking apart the problems in US politics and explaining it in a way that it is easy to understand. And where would we be without the Washington post or the New York times digging up dirt on Trump and his cohorts?

This goes btw so far that TYT even misrepresent arguments Rachel Maddows made in order to discredit her, and that is a tactic which is worthy of Fox news. Granted, it doesn't happen in Cenks shows, but if the program is run on his channel he is responsible for it.

For "independent" media, I recommend David Pakman. Unlike the other ones, he is pretty respectful towards hard working journalists, and his approach is more to take news apart. He also often draws attention to news which are not covered or not covered enough in the mainstream media instead of just riding the wave of what is popular.


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