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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245151: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:14:19 PM

So manchins still going to be in the election (Swearingen lost).

Also I looked over the list of justice Democrats in the elections. Many lost but quite a few did actually win their primaries (whether they win the election we’ll have to wait to November).

I’m gonna wait until the elections; if they all loose than yes jd is a failure but here’s a question. What if the jd candidates WIN?

edited 11th Jun '18 12:17:01 PM by LordYAM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245152: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:15:53 PM

That a case of actual progressives winning or Justice Democrats simply latching on to a centrist who seemed sure to win anyway at the last minute so they can claim a success? Yes, that's something Our Revolution actually did to inflate their meager successes.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#245153: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:18:49 PM

@ Deathor Cake After the last crash Obama did put a few regulations on Wall Street to avoid it happening again. Trump just removed those regulations. So yes, he will have a huge economic impact, even without taking the trade war into account. That one will hit the US harder than anyone else, because as much as it sucks, most countries are only hit regarding a few products, while the US will get hit back by all of them.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#245154: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:18:57 PM

[up][up][up]If they're winning in districts with high-D Cook PVI scores, I'll congratulate them on achieving the bare minimum of electoral attainment.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:19:08 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#245155: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:19:43 PM

What about seats where there's several Democratic Candidates, and no meaningful Republican opposition?

edited 11th Jun '18 12:20:13 PM by megaeliz

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#245156: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:21:55 PM

That's basically, the primaries: round 2, i.e. a progressivism dick-measuring contest.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245157: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:29:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Yeah, that's the main two things that are actually a problem. US has a bubble going on right now if you look at the stock market/GDP ratio ([1]) which I believe is partly due to it being the safest place for money during the really shaky bits of the Eurozone Crisis and then the markets carrying on that boost to euphoria and partly due to QE spraying the markets with liquidity. That will crash, not sure how much worse it will crash due to the removal of Dodd-Frank.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245158: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:34:01 PM

So just so people are aware, Cenk didn't retract his statements about the Armenian Genocide. All he did was turn around and start attacking Erdogan for doing the same thing he used to.

He's never taken it back or offered anything approaching a sincere apology, and his group is still named after a gang of genocidaires.

Also, really, attacking Feinstein for her age? Sanders is in his late seventies and has been in Congress for thirty years. He's a member of The Establishment (TM) too. When does he have to go?

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245159: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:36:18 PM

Interesting question. What do you guys think of the “classical liberals” like Dave Rubin or Bill Maher (who tend to fawn over alt right wingers and make bigoted statements about Muslims.)

One thing that always amused me is that many of the people who criticized these guys have more than acknowledged Islam’s dark side (pz Myers openly detests islam, cenk was reporting on boko haram before others).....yet they get called Muslim apologists.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245160: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:37:38 PM

He still stated that it was a genocide and directly compared what’s going on in Burma to what the Turks did. That’s not denying the genocide by any stretch.

At this point it seems like you think he’s Satan incarnate.

Feinstein I actually do have some respect for. She reversed her lifelong support for capital punishment and called for a man on death row to have tests that could clarify the matter even when Jerry brown tried to duck the issue. The more progressive candidate didn’t even touch the issue which kinda disappointed me.

When I voted for Doug Jones over Xavier Becerra it was because a.) Becerra did commit a felony by shooting campaign adds on government property and b.) jones was willing to potentially try to do justice in certain capital punishment cases.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:41:44 PM by LordYAM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245161: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:38:35 PM

[up][up]Generally classical liberal is code for "fascist" or some other kind of bigot, actual classical liberals might as-well not exist.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245162: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:42:30 PM

Bill Maher and Dave Rubin don't even fall into the same camp. They're both Islamaphobes but of entirely different types, and only Rubin uses the "classical liberal" dodge. Maher still tries to paint himself as a progressive.

So there's no point in having an opinion of them as a group because they're not a group.

He still stated that it was a genocide and directly compared what’s going on in Burma to what the Turks did. That’s not denying the genocide by any stretch. Seems like you think he’s Satan incarnate

So this sort of strawman isn't really worthy of a response. I mean "you think he's Satan incarnate." Sure man. There's a reasonable retort if ever there was one. Got anything to actually contribute to the conversation?

edited 11th Jun '18 12:46:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245163: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:44:34 PM

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If they did, they'd probably be deeply anti-democratic, like the assorted early British capitalists who invented classical lassez-faire economics. There's a bit in Adam Smith when he explains that the main purpose of the state is to stop the paupers shooting the rich man and taking his stuff and Ricardo once wrote something like "the condition of the poor is wretched and rightly so". They were pretty firm believers in that thing where if you have democracy the poor vote themselves all the stuff.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245164: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:46:29 PM

[up]Probably, I'm not exactly crying regarding the absence of their philosophy. Still it would be nice if the modern one's weren't cryptofascists.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245165: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:49:28 PM

Ok. Here’s something else. I live in California, which despite being liberal has capital punishment (support has declined in recent years but a lot of politicians still act like it’s the 80s or 90s).

In recent years the single most controversial dp case in the states history has flared to life again thanks to an expose by nick Kristof. Part of what made it controversial is that kamela Harris was involved

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html

Basically previous testing against the guy was very likely rigged (two of the items with his dna were checked out by a man who forged evidence in another case and that’s the least dubious thing).

In 2016 the defense asked for touch dna to be done on the hatchet that was the main murder weapon, and to determine the habitual wearer of a booody shirt. Kamela Harris as ag refused to touch the case and givernor Browns office dodged the issue for more than two years. THEN in May Kristof write an article on the subject and the whole case flared back to life. Harris did a complete 180 and now supports testing.....but a lot of her supporters were rather shocked.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:51:25 PM by LordYAM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245166: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:50:20 PM

You shouldn't feel ashamed of criticizing Democrats because the alternative is worse.

Otherwise, how will they get better?

We don't need to settle.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245167: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:51:38 PM

Philosophically I approve of Capital Punishment but practically our justice system is so terrible that I would shed zero tears if it's banned everywhere.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:51:57 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245168: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:51:45 PM

Oh, look. We're getting spammed with anti-Kamala Harris nonsense. Again.

Anybody want to write-up the list of Sanders' skeletons in the closet again? Or those of other fauxgressive heroes like Tulsi Gabbard? Or can we all just agree to stop trying to fight the 2020 primary already?

edited 11th Jun '18 12:52:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#245169: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:53:02 PM

We absolutely do need to settle to some extent. You are not existing in the same world if you think otherwise.

A so-so Democrat is infinitely better to have in a seat than a Republican. Saying otherwise reeks of a frankly shocking sense of entitlement.

[up][up] Pretty much where I stand.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:54:55 PM by Larkmarn

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#245170: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:53:24 PM

[up][up][up][up]Says the fellow who lives in Kentucky where Democrats lose regularly.

What imaginary Southern blocs would carry your preferred leftist to office>

edited 11th Jun '18 12:54:27 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245171: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:53:29 PM

You shouldn't feel ashamed of criticizing Democrats because the alternative is worse.

Otherwise, how will they get better?

We don't need to settle.

At this point in time, when the alternative are the current GOP, we kinda do.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245172: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:54:03 PM

Out of curiosity....is Gerald Ford a genocide denier? I mean he called himself a “Young Turk”.

Also what do people think of The NY Times article?

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#245173: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:54:25 PM

Interesting question. What do you guys think of the “classical liberals” like Dave Rubin or Bill Maher (who tend to fawn over alt right wingers and make bigoted statements about Muslims.)

They're Islamaphobes pure and simple. They could cry how they hate all religions, but they're most hard on Islam (and maybe Christianity every other Tuesday when they're bored) But they're pretty silent on the Muslim genocide at the hands of Buddhist extremists. To say nothing about they always defend Israel's actions.

Hell can't even use the excuse of "Well it ain't here." They ignore Islamphobia in America and why are they so concern what's going on in Europe when they're not European?

edited 11th Jun '18 1:03:00 PM by NoName999

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245174: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:55:12 PM

I don't see why we can't vote tactically while still providing appropriate and constructive criticism. Anyway if we want Democrats to get elected then the more flawed a candidate the worse they are for achieving that objective.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:55:30 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245175: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:56:39 PM

And how is it “anti kamela?” I agree with her policies but this particular case is a massive wtf moment; she could have in her capacity as she potentially helped remedy an injustice......and she sat on it. Only doing a 180 a literal day after she was called out.

She’s better than tulsi but as far as skeletons go it’s a majorly fucked is one

And how is it “anti kamela?” I agree with her policies but this particular case is a massive wtf moment; she could have in her capacity as she potentially helped remedy an injustice......and she sat on it. Only doing a 180 a literal day after she was called out.

She’s better than tulsi but as far as skeletons go it’s a majorly fucked is one.

The defense asked for testing at no cost to the state. There are enough genuine doubts that the testing could clear the matter up. Kamela Harris could have potentially agreed to authorize testing to either Prove his guilt or free him.....and she did nothing.

She did call for testing but only after she was no longer in a position to do anything and only after being called out on the front page of the by times.

Read the article. As death penalty cases go this ones up ther in clownfuck lunacy

edited 11th Jun '18 1:00:46 PM by LordYAM


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