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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#245101: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:08:22 AM

[up][up][up] If you think it’s bad on paper, just wait until you see it in practice! Hey kids, can you say “Permanent GOP control over the government”?

edited 11th Jun '18 10:08:50 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#245102: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:08:59 AM

There are many people out there working to get, usually the more progressive, Democrat into elected offices these midterms, like Swing Left or r/bluemidterm. Those websites help to get people the information they need and tips on how to most efficiently contribute to the goal.

Life is unfair...
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245103: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:09:34 AM

It's not like we needed more proof that the GOP hates democracy, but there we go, I guess.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245104: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:11:32 AM

On an unrelated note, the primaries in my state are set for about a couple weeks from now, and early voting starts later this week. Aside from the ones challenging our incumbent senators Ben Cardin and Jamie Raskin, I've seen some pretty promising candidates, even if a few are playing the whole "not a politician" angle more than I'd like.

i'm tired, my friend
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#245105: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:12:46 AM

[up][up][up] And with Net Neutrality dead in the water, watch how quickly people in red states will be bottlenecked or outright denied access to those wonderful websites.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245106: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:13:15 AM

What's the trouble with Wolf PAC? They seem to actually have a reasonably clear objective according to a quick google. If they're just incompetents like Our Revolution, do you have ANY leftie lobby groups that aren't badly run?

They're linked to Cenk. Genocide denier, brocialist, and all around jackass. Then there's how they operate—they hire lobbyists to complain to legislatures about the influence of money in politics. And that's about it.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245107: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:13:37 AM

The ones pushing "I'm not a politician" are the ones to avoid, IMHO. The very fact they are running for office means they are politicians. If that's the main thing they are trying to push as a reason to vote for them, that implies they don't actually have much else.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245108: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:19:59 AM

[up]The reason I'm not more wary of them is because the better ones at least have ideas and plans. Going back to the incumbent senators' challengers, if they aren't playing the "not a politician" angle even harder, they're just completely lackluster. Among the worst I've seen was Utam Paul, whose platform is more or less "things are bad and we need to fix them. If I am elected I will fix the bad things."

Ballotpedia gives a good rundown of the Dem primary candidates. Unfortunately, you'll still have to do some Googling for some of them if you wanna find out what they stand for.

edited 11th Jun '18 10:22:53 AM by PhysicalStamina

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#245109: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:34:33 AM

[up]it doesn't matter what they stand for. What matters is that they're Democrats. We need to vote for as many Democrats as we can if we want any chance of taking back the country. Policies be damned.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245110: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:37:23 AM

As much as I hate the "THEIR SIDE BAD!!!!!" mentality of [up], at this point I'm forced to agree. A vote for any GOP candidate is a vote for the GOP as it currently exists.

DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245111: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:50:28 AM

Re. Democratic Lobbying I will withhold further comment on that until I have a spare couple of hours to do some research on American electioneering, so as not to clog up the thread with questions about every new name I hear. From what little I've seen of Cenk Uygur I thought he was very shouty and not particularly informative but seemed to have a few of the right ideas developed without much of an economic framework, which I suppose is somewhat typical of talking heads. Odd that he would wander off into genocide denial.

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I do see your point in terms of tactical voting, but at the same time I find it rather deeply distasteful just on the basis that if Zombie Eisenhower or Zombie Harold Macmillian showed up again to run for President or Prime Minister I might very well consider supporting them over your average Blairite Labour MP or centrist Democrat, although I suspect that these days they might well move to the other party anyway.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245112: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:54:44 AM

As I understand it, the genocide denial is right there in his group's name, as the original Young Turks were the perpetrators of said genocide.

edited 11th Jun '18 10:54:52 AM by sgamer82

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#245113: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:54:58 AM

"Combined with the two years of nonvoting before notice is sent, that makes a total of six years of nonvoting before removal," Alito wrote.
If this is actually implemented this waynote , I have difficulty seeing this as a bad thing. If you don't vote in a single election in six years, and the state has sent you a notice asking if you're still the you on the voting list with no reply ...
That looks very bad on paper to me.
I don't know. I do grant it seems easy for GOP localities to gamenote , but so are so many other pieces of legislation.
And with Net Neutrality dead in the water, watch how quickly people in red states will be bottlenecked or outright denied access to those wonderful websites.
That part hadn't occurred to me.
they hire lobbyists to complain to legislatures about the influence of money in politics.
I kind of like the irony of it ...
A vote for any GOP candidate is a vote for the GOP as it currently exists.
Which is why I started calling them the "party of legitimate rape." I just didn't realize it would turn out to be an Insult Backfire.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#245114: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:55:13 AM

[up][up][up]Honestly, I find it distasteful too. And I would vastly prefer being able to pick and choose from two opposing but equally valid parties. But I don't think we afford to be choosy just now.

edited 11th Jun '18 10:55:32 AM by kkhohoho

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245115: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:55:59 AM

@028: Obviously I'm voting Dem regardless. I'd just like to have the best Dems possible running my state. And in a state with no shortage of Democratic candidates running I feel that can be achieved.

edited 11th Jun '18 10:57:41 AM by PhysicalStamina

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245116: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:27:43 AM

Don't talk about other tropers - Septimus Heap

More importantly a.) cenk has fully acknowledged the genocide in pretty unambiguous terms. In this video about the Myanmar genocide (around the 2:00 mark-3:20 mark he calls Erdogan out on his hypocrisy and flat out states that what the rakhine buddhists are doing to the rohiynga is no different than what the Turks did to the armenians

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNzucJGfYGc

B.) he was one of the people who led the charge against San Harris and pointed out that he’s a bigot who thinks Muslims are less than human. He was doing this in 2014 when a lot of others still tried to pretend sam wasn’t a morally bankrupt shitheel

C.) a lot of his points about cops being racist and corporate media being dishonest aren’t exactly wrong

The guys a douche but he’s not satan

Hell Winston Churchill and GERALD FORD considered themselves young Turks. Are they genocide deniers

edited 11th Jun '18 11:33:00 AM by SeptimusHeap

DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245117: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:29:13 AM

[up][up]

I believe that at this stage the points of similarity between the average Democrat and the average Republican must be moving towards zero if not a negative value where if one takes such-and-such a position the other will move to oppose him entirely to deny his opponent an unchallenged point. I know that most of the movement has been on the Republican side, there's still plenty of centrist Dems left.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245118: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:30:53 AM

Also a lot of old guard democrats do suck (Chuck Schumer defends Israeli war crimes for instance and Joe manchin has supported a lot of trumps policies.) frankly they should go

DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245119: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:35:08 AM

An interesting article from Yanis Varoufakis on Trumponomics that I feel makes a few good points and misses a couple of others.

Trump might actually keep the US economy rolling along nicely until 2020, if only because his wild fiscal flailing is hitting several of the right buttons by sheer chance. I don't believe that he's quite competent enough to envision the kind of worldwide trade restructuring YV is on about, though.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#245120: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:35:55 AM

Isn't Manchin more or less the only type of Democrat that has a chance of winning in... West Virginia, I think? You can't just get rid of a politician if there's no valid replacement.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#245121: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:38:36 AM

Considering Churchill’s racism the idea of him being a Agenocide denier isn’t at all surprising.

In the end Cenk will leads an organisation named after pro-fascists who carried out a genocide, he’s also been iffy about admitting it, at one point stating that he couldn’t comment on if it happened due to not being a historian, which is the exact same line used by many Holocaust deniers.

Plus he has serious team player issues, he’s lost his shit at Sanders for endorsing Clinton and often falls into bothsidism.

If he wants to found his own party that’s fine, but if he wants to be part of the Democrat party he needs to learn to play well with others.

[up] Yeah he’s not in any way a progressive, he’s a conservative who identifies as a Democrat, he’s someone who in a saner electoral system would be part of a Center-right party.

As for denial of Israeli war crimes, welcome to every US politican ever, the US is bad about admitting war crimes (including its own), that doesn’t somehow justify people who claim to be progressive engaging in genocide denial.

edited 11th Jun '18 11:41:27 AM by Silasw

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245122: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:41:42 AM

Did you miss the video where he not only admitted it happened but called Erdogan our on denying it? He also did ultimately vote for Hillary and was horrified she lost.

And are you saying that we should ignore that older guard democrats are doing things that are in many ways indistinguishable from republicans?

edited 11th Jun '18 11:42:45 AM by LordYAM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245123: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:41:59 AM

To say nothing of the fact that there's a reason Cenk isn't the head of Justice Democrats anymore.

Seriously, Cenk is not worth defending.

edited 11th Jun '18 11:43:22 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245124: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:43:52 AM

[up][up]you mean like opposing their terrible tax bill and voting in favor of net neutrality?

i'm tired, my friend
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245125: Jun 11th 2018 at 11:43:53 AM

Again the guys an asshole. But if I had to chose between him and Dave Rubin and the “classical liberals” I’d still take cenk

[up] no i mean in that they enjoy giving corporations a lot of breaks or that many still like things like the death penalty

edited 11th Jun '18 11:45:37 AM by LordYAM


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