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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245076: Jun 10th 2018 at 9:06:43 PM

And now Trump is whining that Trudeau "acts hurt when called out". Man, Trump wins yuge Olympic Gold in Psychological Projection.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-trudeau-twitter-trade-1.4700485

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245077: Jun 10th 2018 at 9:08:17 PM

No wonder Trump's base loves him so much, and why the GOP sticks by him. They engage in plenty of this shit too when bashing "libruls".

edited 10th Jun '18 9:08:28 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245078: Jun 10th 2018 at 9:15:32 PM

Trump and his base are perfect reflections of each other.

i'm tired, my friend
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#245079: Jun 10th 2018 at 9:51:45 PM

So with all this bullshit from Trump, I can't help but wonder - will he force Un and Moon to go by US time, or will he just be cranky over it?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#245080: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:37:55 PM

I'm just waiting for Trudeau to respond with a really minor insult, and for Trump to throw a literal temper tantrum over it.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#245081: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:44:21 PM

I wonder if he will ever face consequences for his actions as well. I think that, if anything comes close to doing so, it would have to be the Mueller investigation. We'll see how it goes...

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LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245082: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:18:12 AM

Part of the thing is that a lot of progressive politics (reforming the justice system, reforming immigration, tackling debt, not being overly fawning towards Israel) are reasonable positions; in fact some progressive candidates HAVE flipped red districts. Whatever one thinks of Bernie's fans the fact that he told Aipac to go fuck themselves was still laudable

Also on a side note; this is a case in california politics that has kinda come back to life in recent weeks. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html

DNA SEEMD to convict the guy (some supporters like his investigator, a dna expert and a few victims family members were convinced and now want him to die) but there's also disturbingly compelling proof that the tests MAY have actually been tampered with (two of the pieces of evidence with his DNA were checked out by a man who forged evidence in another case, a vial that was supposed to contain only his blood had blood from TWO people in it, there were preservatives in the bloodstains that contained his DNA in higher amounts than the rest of the shirt etc). It's basically become a flashpoint for the death penalty in California, and is also kinda haunting Kamela Harris in a big way.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245083: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:34:01 AM

Part of the thing is that a lot of progressive politics (reforming the justice system, reforming immigration, tackling debt, not being overly fawning towards Israel) are reasonable positions

I don't know a single person here who said otherwise; in fact I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees with nearly everything on that list.

I'm not sure what you're arguing against.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245084: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:34:03 AM

[up][up]Which doesn't change the fact that Our Revolution, the movement that Bernie Sanders started to supposedly make the USA more progressive, has been an utter, utter failure. So much so that even Sanders has pretty much given up on it.

Our Revolution neatly embodies just about every single flaw of USA progressives. As to why this organization has fared so poorly...well, it's been discussed before. Mismanagement, poor leadership, skewed priorities, etc.

And while Sanders may have distanced himself from this trainwreck, the fact that it was originally his train (or at least a train made in his name) really doesn't speak well of his abilities as a leader.

Edit: What [up] said. Nobody here really has a problem with progressive politics. Most people here are progressives on some level. They just aren't Sanders' fans. And the idea that you need to follow Sanders to be a "real" progressive is one of the issues people have with the whole thing. When even someone on this thread who actually likes Sanders points out that Sanders has a bit of a messiah complex and issues when it comes to talking about race...

edited 11th Jun '18 12:36:56 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#245085: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:39:09 AM

Some wolf pac candidates have managed to flip Red seats. That's laudable at least.

It was also frustrating seeing some people try to downplay that Hillary made legitimate mistakes in how she ran her campaign (she DID neglect key battlegrounds until the last moment, and a lot of her ads were "at least I'm not trump.") She was absolutely sabotaged by sexism and dirty tricks.....but at the same time she's like Al Gore in that she could have run a stronger campaign.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#245086: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:41:23 AM

It was also frustrating seeing some people try to downplay that Hillary made legitimate mistakes in how she ran her campaign

One, when was this happening?

Two, that's not what a lot of the criticisms from voters who fancied themselves progressive had of her, and I think you know that.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245087: Jun 11th 2018 at 12:41:59 AM

[up][up] Everyone makes mistakes in campaigning. Nobody here actually dismisses that she made mistakes. I don't know why you're arguing here.

And as I pointed out a long time ago in this thread, Sanders made tons of mistakes too during his primaries campaign. Yet all we hear from his fans are "DNC rigged the primaries" and all that bullshit.

edited 11th Jun '18 12:42:09 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#245088: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:10:07 AM

Did something happening in California recently? I saw something about the Democrats having some sort of election trouble before I skipped over 20 pages.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245089: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:14:35 AM

"Supreme Court upholds Ohio policy to purge infrequent voters from registration lists" - Get updates at Reuters.com

Iirc, CA did better than expected, despite much doomsaying, but nothing critical either way.

edited 11th Jun '18 7:15:22 AM by sgamer82

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#245090: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:15:28 AM

[up][up]California has a jungle primary, where the top two candidates with the most votes go onto the general election in November, regardless of the party; essentially, the general election is a runoff of the primary. People feared the Democrats would end up being left off of several ballots in November due to polls, but most races ended up with a Democrat on the ballot.

edited 11th Jun '18 7:15:56 AM by tclittle

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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#245091: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:27:03 AM

I saw something about the Democrats having some sort of election trouble before I skipped over 20 pages.
Basically the Democrats didn't get a complete shut-out on the ballotnote , plus something-something-Feinstein's-not-liberal-enough, means the Democrats have yet again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.note 

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#245092: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:28:16 AM

That and a state senator in Southern California was recalled because of his support for a gas tax bill.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245093: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:42:52 AM

Here's some evidence of the whole Trump thing, just as a reminder for our sanity that he actually IS guilty of betraying his country.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#245094: Jun 11th 2018 at 7:54:34 AM

Web of elite Russians met with NRA execs during 2016 campaign' [1]

Several prominent Russians, some in President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle or high in the Russian Orthodox Church, now have been identified as having contact with National Rifle Association officials during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, according to photographs and an NRA source.

The contacts have emerged amid a deepening Justice Department investigation into whether Russian banker and lifetime NRA member Alexander Torshin illegally channeled money through the gun rights group to add financial firepower to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential bid.

Other influential Russians who met with NRA representatives during the campaign include Dmitry Rogozin, who until last month served as a deputy prime minister overseeing Russia’s defense industry, and Sergei Rudov, head of one of Russia’s largest philanthropies, the St. Basil the Great Charitable Foundation. The foundation was launched by an ultra-nationalist ally of Russian President Putin.

The Russians talked and dined with NRA representatives, mainly in Moscow, as U.S. presidential candidates vied for the White House. Now U.S. investigators want to know if relationships between the Russian leaders and the nation’s largest gun rights group went beyond vodka toasts and gun factory tours, evolving into another facet of the Kremlin’s broad election-interference operation.

Even as the contacts took place, Kremlin cyber operatives were secretly hacking top Democrats’ emails and barraging Americans’ social media accounts with fake news stories aimed at damaging the image of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and boosting the prospects of Republican Donald Trump.

It is a crime, potentially punishable with prison time, to donate or use foreign money in U.S. election campaigns.

Mc Clatchy in January disclosed that Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller was investigating whether Torshin or others engineered the flow of Russian monies to the NRA; the Senate Intelligence Committee is also looking into the matter, sources familiar with the probe have said. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because the inquiries, which are part of sweeping, parallel investigations into Russia’s interference with the 2016 U.S. elections, have not been publicly announced.

NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said, however, that the FBI has not contacted the group.

edited 11th Jun '18 7:55:54 AM by megaeliz

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#245095: Jun 11th 2018 at 8:34:59 AM

Some wolf pac candidates have managed to flip Red seats. That's laudable at least.

Don't give Cenk and TYT credit for the victories of hard working Democratic nominees. "Wolf Pac", the "Justice Dems", and the other things associated with it have all failed hard.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#245096: Jun 11th 2018 at 8:40:52 AM

The Supreme Court just gave the green light to Ohio to purge voter rolls if someone has been inactive for voting.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states can clean up their voting rolls by targeting people who haven't cast ballots in a while.

The justices rejected, by a 5-4 vote Monday, arguments in a case from Ohio that the practice violates a federal law intended to increase the ranks of registered voters. A handful of other states also use voters' inactivity to trigger a process that could lead to their removal from the voting rolls.

Justice Samuel Alito said for the court that Ohio is complying with the 1993 National Voter Registration Act. He was joined by his four conservative colleagues.

The four liberal justices dissented.

Partisan fights over ballot access are being fought across the country. Democrats have accused Republicans of trying to suppress votes from minorities and poorer people who tend to vote for Democrats. Republicans have argued that they are trying to promote ballot integrity and prevent voter fraud.

Under Ohio rules, registered voters who fail to vote in a two-year period are targeted for eventual removal from registration rolls, even if they haven't moved and remain eligible. The state said it only uses the disputed process after first comparing its voter lists with a U.S. postal service list of people who have reported a change of address. But not everyone who moves notifies the post office, the state said.

So the state asks people who haven't voted in two years to confirm their eligibility. If they do, or if they show up to vote over the next four years, voters remain registered. If they do nothing, their names eventually fall off the list of registered voters.

"Combined with the two years of nonvoting before notice is sent, that makes a total of six years of nonvoting before removal," Alito wrote.

Justice Stephen Breyer, writing in dissent, said the 1993 law prohibits removing someone from the voting rolls "by reason of the person's failure to vote. In my view, Ohio's program does just that."

In a separate dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said Congress enacted the voter registration law "against the backdrop of substantial efforts by states to disenfranchise low-income and minority voters." The court's decision essentially endorses "the very purging that Congress expressly sought to protect against," Sotomayor wrote.

Civil rights groups said the court should be focused on making it easier for people to vote, not allowing states to put up roadblocks to casting ballots.

"With the midterm election season now underway, the court's ruling demands heightened levels of vigilance as we anticipate that officials will read this ruling as a green light for loosely purging the registration rolls in their community," said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

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DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#245097: Jun 11th 2018 at 9:20:28 AM

[up][up]

What's the trouble with Wolf PAC? They seem to actually have a reasonably clear objective according to a quick google. If they're just incompetents like Our Revolution, do you have ANY leftie lobby groups that aren't badly run?

Admittedly Momentum over here in the UK also seem to be very good at attracting accusations of being commie entryist thugs purging the Labour Party of all opposition to Corbyn (which evidently hasn't happened) and not very good at winning local elections. Same problem?

edited 11th Jun '18 9:25:33 AM by DeathorCake

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#245098: Jun 11th 2018 at 9:54:18 AM

[up][up] ... That looks very bad on paper to me.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#245100: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:03:37 AM

[up][up][up] We do. They just aren't being run by the people who more strongly identify as Sanders supporters. Again, they are far from the only "real" progressives in the USA.

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