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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Part of the thing is that a lot of progressive politics (reforming the justice system, reforming immigration, tackling debt, not being overly fawning towards Israel) are reasonable positions; in fact some progressive candidates HAVE flipped red districts. Whatever one thinks of Bernie's fans the fact that he told Aipac to go fuck themselves was still laudable
Also on a side note; this is a case in california politics that has kinda come back to life in recent weeks.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html
DNA SEEMD to convict the guy (some supporters like his investigator, a dna expert and a few victims family members were convinced and now want him to die) but there's also disturbingly compelling proof that the tests MAY have actually been tampered with (two of the pieces of evidence with his DNA were checked out by a man who forged evidence in another case, a vial that was supposed to contain only his blood had blood from TWO people in it, there were preservatives in the bloodstains that contained his DNA in higher amounts than the rest of the shirt etc). It's basically become a flashpoint for the death penalty in California, and is also kinda haunting Kamela Harris in a big way.
I don't know a single person here who said otherwise; in fact I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees with nearly everything on that list.
I'm not sure what you're arguing against.
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Which doesn't change the fact that Our Revolution, the movement that Bernie Sanders started to supposedly make the USA more progressive, has been an utter, utter failure. So much so that even Sanders has pretty much given up on it.
Our Revolution neatly embodies just about every single flaw of USA progressives. As to why this organization has fared so poorly...well, it's been discussed before. Mismanagement, poor leadership, skewed priorities, etc.
And while Sanders may have distanced himself from this trainwreck, the fact that it was originally his train (or at least a train made in his name) really doesn't speak well of his abilities as a leader.
Edit: What
said. Nobody here really has a problem with progressive politics. Most people here are progressives on some level. They just aren't Sanders' fans. And the idea that you need to follow Sanders to be a "real" progressive is one of the issues people have with the whole thing. When even someone on this thread who actually likes Sanders points out that Sanders has a bit of a messiah complex and issues when it comes to talking about race...
edited 11th Jun '18 12:36:56 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedSome wolf pac candidates have managed to flip Red seats. That's laudable at least.
It was also frustrating seeing some people try to downplay that Hillary made legitimate mistakes in how she ran her campaign (she DID neglect key battlegrounds until the last moment, and a lot of her ads were "at least I'm not trump.") She was absolutely sabotaged by sexism and dirty tricks.....but at the same time she's like Al Gore in that she could have run a stronger campaign.
One, when was this happening?
Two, that's not what a lot of the criticisms from voters who fancied themselves progressive had of her, and I think you know that.
i'm tired, my friend![]()
Everyone makes mistakes in campaigning. Nobody here actually dismisses that she made mistakes. I don't know why you're arguing here.
And as I pointed out a long time ago in this thread, Sanders made tons of mistakes too during his primaries campaign. Yet all we hear from his fans are "DNC rigged the primaries" and all that bullshit.
edited 11th Jun '18 12:42:09 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedDid something happening in California recently? I saw something about the Democrats having some sort of election trouble before I skipped over 20 pages.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.![]()
California has a jungle primary, where the top two candidates with the most votes go onto the general election in November, regardless of the party; essentially, the general election is a runoff of the primary. People feared the Democrats would end up being left off of several ballots in November due to polls, but most races ended up with a Democrat on the ballot.
edited 11th Jun '18 7:15:56 AM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Here's some evidence of the whole Trump thing, just as a reminder for our sanity that he actually IS guilty of betraying his country.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion
Web of elite Russians met with NRA execs during 2016 campaign'
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The contacts have emerged amid a deepening Justice Department investigation into whether Russian banker and lifetime NRA member Alexander Torshin illegally channeled money through the gun rights group to add financial firepower to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential bid.
Other influential Russians who met with NRA representatives during the campaign include Dmitry Rogozin, who until last month served as a deputy prime minister overseeing Russia’s defense industry, and Sergei Rudov, head of one of Russia’s largest philanthropies, the St. Basil the Great Charitable Foundation. The foundation was launched by an ultra-nationalist ally of Russian President Putin.
The Russians talked and dined with NRA representatives, mainly in Moscow, as U.S. presidential candidates vied for the White House. Now U.S. investigators want to know if relationships between the Russian leaders and the nation’s largest gun rights group went beyond vodka toasts and gun factory tours, evolving into another facet of the Kremlin’s broad election-interference operation.
Even as the contacts took place, Kremlin cyber operatives were secretly hacking top Democrats’ emails and barraging Americans’ social media accounts with fake news stories aimed at damaging the image of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and boosting the prospects of Republican Donald Trump.
It is a crime, potentially punishable with prison time, to donate or use foreign money in U.S. election campaigns.
Mc Clatchy in January disclosed that Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller was investigating whether Torshin or others engineered the flow of Russian monies to the NRA; the Senate Intelligence Committee is also looking into the matter, sources familiar with the probe have said. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because the inquiries, which are part of sweeping, parallel investigations into Russia’s interference with the 2016 U.S. elections, have not been publicly announced.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said, however, that the FBI has not contacted the group.
edited 11th Jun '18 7:55:54 AM by megaeliz
The justices rejected, by a 5-4 vote Monday, arguments in a case from Ohio that the practice violates a federal law intended to increase the ranks of registered voters. A handful of other states also use voters' inactivity to trigger a process that could lead to their removal from the voting rolls.
Justice Samuel Alito said for the court that Ohio is complying with the 1993 National Voter Registration Act. He was joined by his four conservative colleagues.
The four liberal justices dissented.
Partisan fights over ballot access are being fought across the country. Democrats have accused Republicans of trying to suppress votes from minorities and poorer people who tend to vote for Democrats. Republicans have argued that they are trying to promote ballot integrity and prevent voter fraud.
Under Ohio rules, registered voters who fail to vote in a two-year period are targeted for eventual removal from registration rolls, even if they haven't moved and remain eligible. The state said it only uses the disputed process after first comparing its voter lists with a U.S. postal service list of people who have reported a change of address. But not everyone who moves notifies the post office, the state said.
So the state asks people who haven't voted in two years to confirm their eligibility. If they do, or if they show up to vote over the next four years, voters remain registered. If they do nothing, their names eventually fall off the list of registered voters.
"Combined with the two years of nonvoting before notice is sent, that makes a total of six years of nonvoting before removal," Alito wrote.
Justice Stephen Breyer, writing in dissent, said the 1993 law prohibits removing someone from the voting rolls "by reason of the person's failure to vote. In my view, Ohio's program does just that."
In a separate dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayor said Congress enacted the voter registration law "against the backdrop of substantial efforts by states to disenfranchise low-income and minority voters." The court's decision essentially endorses "the very purging that Congress expressly sought to protect against," Sotomayor wrote.
Civil rights groups said the court should be focused on making it easier for people to vote, not allowing states to put up roadblocks to casting ballots.
"With the midterm election season now underway, the court's ruling demands heightened levels of vigilance as we anticipate that officials will read this ruling as a green light for loosely purging the registration rolls in their community," said Kristen Clarke, president and executive director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.
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What's the trouble with Wolf PAC? They seem to actually have a reasonably clear objective according to a quick google. If they're just incompetents like Our Revolution, do you have ANY leftie lobby groups that aren't badly run?
Admittedly Momentum over here in the UK also seem to be very good at attracting accusations of being commie entryist thugs purging the Labour Party of all opposition to Corbyn (which evidently hasn't happened) and not very good at winning local elections. Same problem?
edited 11th Jun '18 9:25:33 AM by DeathorCake

And now Trump is whining that Trudeau "acts hurt when called out". Man, Trump wins yuge Olympic Gold in Psychological Projection.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-trudeau-twitter-trade-1.4700485
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.