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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#245026: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:30:44 AM

Granted, I think to an extent Trump may have kind of undercut the good publicity he can wring from the Kim summit with his performance at G7. Being besties with one of the world's most brutal dictators seems less great when you juxtapose it with him pissing off most of the world's most powerful democratically elected leaders mere days before.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245027: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:41:06 AM

[up][up]Trade wars are in no one's favor, but its economic suicide nationally and political suicide personally (this goes triple for Canada/Mexico) to give in. So you counter tariff to salvage your own industries (which the US still needs, in many cases), and in the hope that economic pressure forces Congress's hands on the issue.

And even if the US doesn't budge, the public in most countries will get chest thumpey and demand that if they are being tariffed, than counters are a matter of national pride as well as economic necessity.

There is a loud and growing sentiment (from what I've seen) that as long as the US is launching these new punitive tariffs; its a moral imperative to stick it to the Yankees on this issue and others (ie; don't expect the West to follow you into your next quagmire if it isn't a NATO state getting hit). To be honest, I don't totally disagree with that, Trump can't be allowed to run roughshod over the democratic world.

Anti-Americanism is about to become viable politics in the West in a way that it hasn't been since at least the Iraq War, if not the Cold War. Politicians will be skewered if they come across as weak on trade or potentially conciliatory towards Trump, and attacking him will be a way to score points. Along with this comes a more general feeling of anger towards the US as a nation (who Trump sadly personifies to the world, like any other POTUS) and (unfortunately) Americans as a people to a hopefully lesser extent.

[down]Assuming that Rudy didn't do that on his own.

edited 10th Jun '18 10:44:25 AM by Rationalinsanity

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245028: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:41:28 AM

I think Trump doesn't want peace with North Korea because he's had Giuliani insult Kim.

Threats and poor relationships with other countries benefits his isolationist, militant stance.

edited 10th Jun '18 10:42:20 AM by CharlesPhipps

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#245029: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:53:10 AM

[up]

I think Trump doesn't want peace with North Korea because he's had Giuliani insult Kim.

And you know for a fact that Guiliani wasn't just a brainddead, impulsive idiot who said that of his own volition because...

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#245030: Jun 10th 2018 at 10:57:36 AM

TIME magazine depicts Trump looking into a mirror, whose reflection dresses him up as king with "King me" on the cover. The article is just an opinion piece on how TIME described Trump perfectly, but there's some key points I found:

  • Trump's mother was pretty obsessive with Queen Elizabeth when she was crowned Queen of England.
  • Trump's father would use to say to him "You are a killer, you are a king."
  • Trump can act like a President for a few minutes when coached, but when he is on his own, he acts extremely childlike.
  • Trump meeting Kim Jong Un is basically another child like him in the sandbox, which is probably why he resonates so much with him.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#245031: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:02:29 AM

And you know for a fact that Guiliani wasn't just a brainddead, impulsive idiot who said that of his own volition because...

Yes, because this is the administration to cut slack about poor treatment of foreign powers.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#245032: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:04:14 AM

[up]

Yes, because this is the administration to cut slack about poor treatment of foreign powers.

I'm honestly not even sure what you're trying to say there.

edited 10th Jun '18 11:04:51 AM by kkhohoho

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#245033: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:11:56 AM

I think Trump doesn't want peace with North Korea because he's had Giuliani insult Kim.

You'd be shocked at how many things Giuliani's said that have actively undermined Trump's positions in vital areas such as the Mueller Investigation and the Stormy Daniels suit.

Giuliani is the best thing that's ever happened to everyone who hates Trump. He is constantly saying shit he's not supposed to be. This is a man who has said things like

  1. Yes, Trump was absolutely trying to end the Russian investigation when he fired Mueller.
  2. Yes, Trump knew about the payments being made to Stormy Daniels.
  3. Yes, Trump's bluster about Spygate is an attempt to sway voter opinion and evade a potential impeachment.
  4. No, it is not physically possible for Trump to have ever committed a crime because, as POTUS, he can do whatever he wants.

This is the dude who outright said Trump could have shot James Comey and they still wouldn't be allowed to charge him for it. The dude who at one point had to go on Fox News and issue a public retraction of the comments he'd made on Fox News previously by presenting the argument that he, himself, is just some new guy that doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about.

Giuliani does not speak on Trump's command. The shit he says is a goddamn goldmine of ammunition for the case against Trump.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#245034: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:21:27 AM

I think you're referring to when he fired Comey. Unless you've got a crystal ball, of course, in which case, carry on. tongue

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tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#245035: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:26:13 AM

[up][up]Giuliani is Trump's Trump. By that I mean he's in the same vein but, if possible, even less controlled.

Trump delenda est
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#245036: Jun 10th 2018 at 11:31:14 AM

And no hair.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#245037: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:05:55 PM

[up]They're both bald. Trump has the combover Rudy did twenty years ago.

edited 10th Jun '18 12:07:17 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#245038: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:27:11 PM

Exactly. It would be painfully easy for Trump to walk away from this looking like a hero in front of his base for "finally ending the Korean War" and seeing his poll percentage rise.

The backlash over even suggesting such a thing is exactly what I'm talking about when I complain about the left's blind optimism. We keep having this conversation:

Ok, this? This is a blatant strawman.

No-one in this thread has displayed blind optimism and just because not everyone agrees with you does not mean they're displaying it.

Furthermore you talk about him throwing meat to his base as if that's new or somehow special, the people who like him at this juncture can hardly like him more and there isn't really any evidence that this will overcome low Republican enthusiasm.

Yes Trump can absolutely declare it a victory and then his designated sycophants will eat it up, but I don't really see how that's either new or especially impactful.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#245039: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:36:31 PM

[up] Agree. Looking at poll numbers and special election results and saying the democrats have a good chance in November isn't blind optimism, if anything it's a more nuanced view than "Trumpism defied expectations before, it'll undoubtely happen again, be warned and prepared".

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Lorsty Since: Feb, 2010
#245040: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:41:23 PM

Anti-Americanism is about to become viable politics in the West in a way that it hasn't been since at least the Iraq War, if not the Cold War.
This so much.

We're in the middle of our own federal elections and so far the ones leading the polls are the ones who promise to stick it to the gringos and to retaliate in whatever form we can. Hell, when one of the candidates to president suggested we should just weather Trump and wait until the next administration to once again be good friends with the USA, he was booed by the crowd (all of which were his own supporters!) and told that all gringos are the same and we can't trust them.

And this is in Mexico, the country that depends so much on the USA in every area. Regardless of the stupidity of my own countrymen, I can't help but be worried about how long it'll take to recover from the election of Trump. Both for you all who live in the US, and for all of us who live elsewhere but who can also feel the consequences of that. :(

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#245041: Jun 10th 2018 at 12:47:56 PM

America First is America Alone.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#245043: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:05:59 PM

[up]Can you give a summary of the tweet you linked there?

It is a clip of someone on Fox News accidentally (?)referring to both Kim Jong Un and Trump as dictators.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245044: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:07:24 PM

“Regardless of what happens in that meeting between the two dictators, what we are seeing right now—this is history.” - @Fox News

Two dictators?🤔😳 https://t.co/c7yyIX4vP2

Imca (Veteran)
#245045: Jun 10th 2018 at 1:09:28 PM

Federal elections, 1932, 37.27% support for Adolf Hitler with a voter turnout of 82.5 %. Thirty percent of the country voted directly for Adolf Hitler.

Federal elections 2016, 46% support for Donald Trump, voter turnout of 58 %. Twenty-six percent of the country voted directly for Donald Trump.

So no, you're not saying it how it is, you're being a numpty.

Logical fallicy, you cant say that every one who didn't vote was not for trump, the most accurate depection would be to spread the 46/48% divide across the remaining 42% or failing that discard.

Every one who didn't vote is at least partilay responsible, and even if your just trying to figure out allegiance, it should be obvious to even a first grader how wrong "every one who doesn't say any thing agrees with me" is.

If you won't even condone the possibility of failure, you will never succeed in anything

Seconded by the person from a country who's whole war history is summed up by this quote.


Edit: Trade situation just got dumber

edited 10th Jun '18 1:15:39 PM by Imca

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#245047: Jun 10th 2018 at 2:55:41 PM

You'd think after the thing with the aliens hotline, and the media bias surveys, they'd learn not to do shit like this.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#245048: Jun 10th 2018 at 3:00:32 PM

That would require the GOP to be capable of acknowledging that they were in error.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#245049: Jun 10th 2018 at 3:21:37 PM

[up]x2+[up] It's so obvious they just keep off all of the ones that are anti-Trump, both legit and trollish. And even if the majority of the comments are negative, it doesn't matter as long as 1 person gives Trump the thumbs up (on an online birthday card).

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#245050: Jun 10th 2018 at 3:29:28 PM

I wonder if it's a good or a bad thing we can't see the results from all submissions.

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