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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#244926: Jun 9th 2018 at 3:35:14 PM

[up] The founders obviously did not anticipate a complicit congress.

edited 9th Jun '18 3:37:37 PM by megaeliz

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244927: Jun 9th 2018 at 3:43:43 PM

The thing about impeachment is that it’s not a criminal proceeding. When people say impeachment is political it’s because it’s subject to all the same whims and debates as politics.

It’s an inherently political process.

What would you advise to deal with a criminal President?

Because we have one.

edited 9th Jun '18 3:44:01 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Imca (Veteran)
#244928: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:04:16 PM

Bluntly, there is no option because a complicit congress was never thought of.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244929: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:06:38 PM

Then a political act is fine if it's still in the pursuit of justice.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#244930: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:20:17 PM

It’s not even a matter of a complicit Congress. It would be like this whether Congress was complicit or not, because the impeachment process was designed to be political rather than criminal. Whether that’s wise is a question that’s been debated for a long time, personally I think it could use a little tweaking for the modern era.

Frankly, while Trump is incompetent and most certainly corrupt to a degree I don’t think he actually meets the criteria for impeachment to be considered.

They should have sent a poet.
Imca (Veteran)
#244931: Jun 9th 2018 at 4:21:01 PM

[up][up]I think you missunderstand, people are not saying that a political process is bad, though it's not ideal.... there saying it's not posible.

Trying to charge Trump is like trying to charge a druglord, with a jury made of his cicaros.... it just won't work.

[up]TBH until yesterday I could have seen that point, not agreed with... but seen

However Trump had made it very clear he is willing to let US citizens get health problems and die, not just for money.... but for the benifit of a forigen power.

Even under it nor being a process to inflict judgment, a leader that sells out there own people to benifit another leader, with nothing for there own is not fit to lead.

edited 9th Jun '18 4:25:28 PM by Imca

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#244932: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:14:00 PM

Trump supporters likes tariffs until it starts affecting them

"We need tariffs, but when it starts to impact the company where you work ... you're thinking, well wait a minute, time out!" he said.

Moore is worried the tariffs might cost him his job. The mill where he works, NLMK Pennsylvania, in the town of Farrell, not far from the border with Ohio, employs 750 workers and is a subsidiary of Novolipetsk Steel, or NLMK, Russia's top steelmaker.

And so when he first heard about President Trump's tariffs, he "applauded" the president. He says he still does but doesn't understand why his company should be punished for importing steel.

"Even if they're foreign-owned, but they have a factory in this country and they're employing American workers, to me, that's an American company," Almashy said.

To him, exempting this Russian-owned steel mill from tariffs would be a matter of putting "America First."

Moore insists he has "no regrets" about his vote, even though he knows some might think that's strange given the precariousness of his current employment due to the very tariffs Trump introduced.

"President Trump was the better candidate," he says flatly.

Plus, he thinks the president is receptive to feedback.

Oh no these poor... yeah no can't fake this. Fuck these selfish little gnats.

edited 9th Jun '18 5:15:10 PM by NoName999

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#244933: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:15:29 PM

Always brings a smile to my face when I see a Trump supporter suffer from the actions of their God Emperor.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#244934: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:19:33 PM

It's only gonna pile up more and more.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#244935: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:30:45 PM

A bit funny, though not really surprising, that they never actually thought about how these things might have practical affects. Just that it sounds good, so of course nothing bad could happen.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#244936: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:31:54 PM

Always brings a smile to my face when I see a Trump supporter suffer from the actions of their God Emperor.

I'll start smiling when they actually start blaming the guy they voted for and/or stay home in 2020.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#244937: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:40:58 PM

Looks like I missed an interesting discussion earlier.

As for that Trump supporter worrying about his God Emperor screwing him out of a job...

Disgusted, but not surprised
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#244938: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:44:05 PM

[up][up] I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm reining in my boundless optimism and cheerfulness for that same reason, but that won't stop me from enjoying the small consolations when I can take them.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244939: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:46:40 PM

I am genuinely confused about what it is about Trump that makes him so teflon to his base.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#244940: Jun 9th 2018 at 5:47:55 PM

...Racism? Homophobia? Anti-semitism? Islamophobia? Rabid hatred of Clinton and the Democratic Party and "liberals"?

I mean, I don't know what else you need.

He panders to the worst aspects of American culture. He's the Ugly American. And that's what his base wants.

edited 9th Jun '18 5:48:58 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#244942: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:00:56 PM

They're types who only care about how they feel, not how they think. Trump being bad makes them feel bad, and also acknowledging Trump's failings first requires some kind of analytical thinking about it, but that kind of intellectual bullshit is for "libtards" and "elites".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#244943: Jun 9th 2018 at 6:09:26 PM

Oh right, I forgot to include "Anti-intellectualism" to the list.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
Snipertoaster from Mind Your Business (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#244945: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:11:09 PM

I feel sympathy for the Canadians, Mexicans and Europeans whose jobs will all be at risk from these tariffs. As for the ones who voted Trump, well, they wanted this. They said he'd do this and they were all for it. Now they're getting swept up in it. I only have one word for them: SUFFER.

Was that over the line? Was probably over the line. Apologies if so.

edited 9th Jun '18 7:13:51 PM by Snipertoaster

We can choose to be better.
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#244946: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:12:56 PM

What's a line?

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
Snipertoaster from Mind Your Business (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#244947: Jun 9th 2018 at 7:14:08 PM

Something I like to think still exists in this day and age.

We can choose to be better.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#244949: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:25:41 PM

The endless refrain from Trump supporters has always been 'I wanted him to do this as long as it was hurting people other than me'. They won't learn from this and therefore I have no sympathy.

edited 9th Jun '18 8:25:52 PM by RedSavant

It's been fun.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#244950: Jun 9th 2018 at 8:48:46 PM

This song lyrics are fairly relevant when it comes to Trump supporters.

All too happy when they believed the things they were asking would only afflict others, but not themselves.

Inter arma enim silent leges

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