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Imca (Veteran)
#244801: Jun 8th 2018 at 4:33:00 PM

Not taking the threat seriously is exactly how we got here in the first place.... regardless of how likely we think a Trump reelection is, it needs to be treated as an imdeiate threat so we can counter it.

Failure to plan for something going wrong is distressingly common here, dispite history's long list of lessons on what happens if you dont.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#244802: Jun 8th 2018 at 4:35:09 PM

Ugh, no.

People refusing to vote because Trump couldn't possibly win and because they didn't like Hillary Clinton is how we got here, the logic I used was of probabilities and did not say that he can't win.

Furthermore my other point that calling his victory this early is nothing more than Republican kowtowing is completely right, Romney is not someone we should take seriously.

edited 8th Jun '18 4:35:24 PM by Fourthspartan56

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#244803: Jun 8th 2018 at 4:38:32 PM

It'd be nice if we could get a clear idea of some candidates. I know that's 3 years away and we normally don't, but building up a hype person could be helpful. Shame there really isn't anyone in the Democratic party who's really hitting those chords, yet.

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Imca (Veteran)
#244804: Jun 8th 2018 at 4:48:31 PM

People refusing to vote because Trump couldn't possibly win

Do... do you not see the irony of saying that right after saying he wasn't a serious threat in 2020.

That's exactly what happened in 2016, and you admitted it. ._.;

edited 8th Jun '18 4:48:45 PM by Imca

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#244805: Jun 8th 2018 at 4:58:29 PM

2020 is not an immediate threat.

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#244806: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:06:21 PM

2020 could come at any time,we must be prepared,we must be ready!

All fighting fit men and women will be required to maintain accurate voting registration in the event of a sudden strike,we can't afford to take any chances!

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#244807: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:07:19 PM

I agree with Imca. There is a very real possibility of Trump being re-elected in 2020. That needs to be treated like a legitimate threat.

Not, as noted, an immediate threat. But a real one. Leftist voters have a bad habit of treating victory as if it were a foregone conclusion. The Right does everything in their power to beat us, while the Left fights with itself over what to serve at our inevitable acceptance ceremony.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#244808: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:09:11 PM

No one in this thread is treating Trump's 2020 prospects as a given, in either direction. We are just noting that conditions have changed since 2016, and that there are reasons to be hopeful.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#244809: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:11:55 PM

My thoughts on 2020 are pretty much the same as 2016: yes, it's possible that Trump will be reelected but it isn't exactly likely, so I'm not going to panic about it.

And that Trump actually was elected, doesn't mean he was always guaranteed to be, or that that mindset was wrong.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#244811: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:39:29 PM

My thoughts on 2020 are pretty much the same as 2016: yes, it's possible that Trump will be reelected but it isn't exactly likely, so I'm not going to panic about it.

And that Trump actually was elected, doesn't mean he was always guaranteed to be, or that that mindset was wrong.

Exactly my thoughts.

Frankly it's rather confusing that some people are treating my post as if I said that Trump can't possibly win, of course he can. And even if he has low chances that doesn't mean he can't win, like a 20% chance means that he wins 2 out of 10 times.

I get that random people don't understand probabilities and thus we need to drive in the threat that he poses but it would be nice if some people wouldn't act as if I were in the same class as them.

No one in this thread is treating Trump's 2020 prospects as a given, in either direction. We are just noting that conditions have changed since 2016, and that there are reasons to be hopeful.
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edited 8th Jun '18 5:40:10 PM by Fourthspartan56

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#244812: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:43:36 PM

Being honest, I will lose all faith in my fellow Americans if we elect Trump twice in a row. Once is a fluke, an act of (perhaps willful) ignorance, opportunism, fear, and/or blind hatred. But there will be no excuse if we re-elect Donald Trump after a first term full of frustration.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244813: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:44:12 PM

I'm going to be disgusted if he's not impeached by then.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#244814: Jun 8th 2018 at 5:48:39 PM

[up][up]That's fair, the first time there was a widespread belief that he can't possibly win so people who refused to vote did not have complete responsibility for his defeat. But a second time they'd have no excuse.

[up]Prepare to be disgusted then, impeachment is a political act and even if the Democrats take the Senate they won't have the votes to impeach him without Republican defections. And we simply cannot expect them to do the right thing, they'll only consider doing it if the damage from abandoning him is less than the damage of sticking with him. And I see no evidence of that being likely.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#244815: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:02:32 PM

This reminds me of a question that occurred to me: Which do you think is preferable? Trump getting booted out via Election, or being Impeached out of office? What would be better Domestically? Internationally?

For instance, if we impeach Trump and get him out of office, would it repair our international relations more than if we elected him out when the time came? Domestically, would booting him out via election send the stronger message than impeachment?

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#244816: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:04:49 PM

If it's confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt that Trump did something worthy of impeachment, he needs to be impeached. It's the principle of the thing.

That said, I don't see it happening. The GOP will not turn against Trump.

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#244817: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:05:35 PM

Domestically, it would be fun to watch him rage about how a democratic election was rigged against him when it factually wasn't. tongue

If he was impeached, though, it would probably get slammed as a Democrat/liberal/whatever conspiracy.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#244818: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:07:04 PM

Either is fine, if he's impeached then that's only going to happen if at-least some Republicans turn on him. Which suggests that something really damning is found. But if he's voted out come 2020 then it's a clear rejection on the part of the American people.

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#244819: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:32:31 PM

It would be nice if we could send a clear message that electing Trump was a mistake.

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#244820: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:40:03 PM

The fucking asbestos thing... I want Trump to die. I want him to die as a cumulative result of all of the things he claimed and believed were safe. I want him to be impeached and go to jail, and I want him to die in there in the most painful and excessive way he possibly could die. I want him to die of asbestos poisoning, coal poisoning, polluted air and water, lack of exercise, a heart attack from eating too much junk food, and an ulcer from stress. I want him to go blind from looking at the sun and for him to be traumatized by being sexually assaulted. I want him to suffer and die in all of the ways he has made everyone else suffer and die, and I want it to be slow, and I want him to realize just before his death that he was wrong about everything and deserves this.

I want karmic retribution.

edited 8th Jun '18 6:43:04 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#244821: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:44:35 PM

The sad thing is...it's not as if Trump hid any of this. All of this shit? The asbestos, the bigotry, everything else?

IT WAS ALL OUT THERE.

That's why I keep repeating that none of this should be surprising or shocking to anyone. The moment Trump won it was always going to be a total awful shitshow.

That said...I think I owe tree frogs an apology.

edited 8th Jun '18 6:47:11 PM by M84

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244822: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:49:40 PM

I want him impeached, not voted out of office.

Because HE IS A CRIMINAL.

As President, he should be treated like a criminal because his actions are illegal and should be punished as such.

Voting him out of office normalizes the horrible things he's done.

edited 8th Jun '18 6:50:01 PM by CharlesPhipps

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#244823: Jun 8th 2018 at 6:56:47 PM

[up][up] What about a global wrecking ball?

[up] Impeachment is a political act, not a legal one.

edited 8th Jun '18 7:01:02 PM by megaeliz

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#244824: Jun 8th 2018 at 7:06:32 PM

Personally, I'd like for Trump to be voted out of office, tried for something as soon as he's lost that protection, and then have every last scrap of wealth and influence taken from him so that he dies an impoverished, angry old prisoner.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#244825: Jun 8th 2018 at 7:15:31 PM

Impeachment is a political act, not a legal one.

And yet it is the only way to remove a man from office to be prosecuted for his crimes.

So it is very much a legal thing as leaving him in office prevents him from being prosecuted for obstruction.

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