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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243951: May 31st 2018 at 7:29:11 AM

Let's see if Congressional Republicans try and put a quick end to this.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243952: May 31st 2018 at 7:34:24 AM

The ones who know better are spineless sacks of shit while the rest are outright isolationist flavor-aid guzzlers.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#243953: May 31st 2018 at 7:38:17 AM

[up]And then there are the ones that are outright bailing.

i'm tired, my friend
TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#243954: May 31st 2018 at 7:56:19 AM

What. What in the actual FUCK?

http://www.newsweek.com/samantha-bee-ivanka-trump-put-something-tight-and-low-cut-and-tell-your-father-950590

So Newsweek, its not ok for Roseanne Barr to make the joke she did but calling a woman a "feckless cunt" is ok? Because the way this article is written sure gives the impression you do.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#243955: May 31st 2018 at 8:00:35 AM

In what way does it give that impression?

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243956: May 31st 2018 at 8:02:01 AM

Barr's Tweet was extraordinarily racist, and she also branded a Jewish man an active Nazi.

Bee doesn't even come close. Plus she was defending highly vulnerable people.

edited 31st May '18 8:03:45 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243957: May 31st 2018 at 8:12:57 AM

WTF Just Happened Today's feed is up. It's still early and stuff may yet be added, so not doing the full dump yet, but this caught my eye:

Newly-released voter registration data from California show the Republican party trailing behind both Democrats and "no party preference" voters. The California Republican Party has effectively been relegated to third-party status, falling behind independent voters by at least 73,000, leaving them with only 25.1 percent of registered California voters.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/30/california-republicans-third-party-status-613568

TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#243958: May 31st 2018 at 8:31:44 AM

[up][up] by that logic, sexism is ok but racism isn't.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243959: May 31st 2018 at 8:32:20 AM

[up][up] Which probably means the ones left are the really hardcore assholes. The ones who would have voted for the Neo-Nazi in a heartbeat if he had gotten on to the ballot.

[up] Let's not go into false equivalences.

edited 31st May '18 8:33:08 AM by M84

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#243960: May 31st 2018 at 8:55:53 AM

[up][up] Sexism from a woman to a woman? Mmmhmm. Poke that logic again, I don't think it's fully baked.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243961: May 31st 2018 at 9:02:16 AM

[up] Put like that, at first glance it doesn't sound all that different from one man mocking another over sex or some other toxic masculinity scenario.

Though I don't think this specific situation qualifies since, here, the remarks are based on mockery of things Trump has said and actions Ivanka has taken, all if which were public.

edited 31st May '18 9:04:51 AM by sgamer82

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#243962: May 31st 2018 at 9:04:39 AM

[up] Women being sexist to other women isn't unheard of, but it's also getting off-topic.

The difference between Bee and Barr is that Bee is (largely) "punching up" in her mocking Ivanka; that said I don't think it was funny, which should always be the first thing a comedian is concerned about.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243963: May 31st 2018 at 9:06:01 AM

I'm well past having any sympathy for a member of the Trump clan who isn't named Barron or Tiffany. Hell with her feelings.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243964: May 31st 2018 at 9:07:31 AM

Ivanka has more than earned every bit of scorn and contempt coming her way and then some. She's a shitty person just like her father, if perhaps somewhat better at keeping her awfulness on the down low.

edited 31st May '18 9:07:56 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#243965: May 31st 2018 at 9:15:50 AM

[up] Not arguing that; I just don't think this joke from Bee is funny.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243966: May 31st 2018 at 9:19:39 AM

Looking at what the tweet was, I'm not even sure how it's a joke, or if it was even intended to be. It just seems like a flat out insult. Which you could say that Ivanka has earned, but I don't think gendered insults like that are particularly big anymore among "progressive" or whatever circles.

It is an easy way to call out hypocrisy though. Say if some right-wing groups start calling for her show to be cancelled for being sexist, just like they did for Colbert made that joke and they screamed bloody murder about him being homophobic.

edited 31st May '18 9:34:05 AM by LSBK

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243967: May 31st 2018 at 9:20:52 AM

Trump's apparently considering pardoning Martha Stewart (for insider trading) and, more worryingly, former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich (who is serving a lengthy jail term for corruption, including trying to sell then President-Elect Obama's Senate seat).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/31/politics/martha-stewart-rod-blagojevich-trump-pardons/index.html?adkey=bn

Law. And. Order.

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Lost in Space
#243968: May 31st 2018 at 9:20:54 AM

Nobody on the right gets to say a single damn word about intolerance.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243969: May 31st 2018 at 9:27:00 AM

[up][up]The moment he pardoned fucking Arpaio, all bets were off.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243970: May 31st 2018 at 9:28:28 AM

It seems like Trump doesn't really get that pardons are an admission of guilt, it reads more like he thinks he has the power to declare anyone innocent.

edited 31st May '18 9:29:12 AM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#243971: May 31st 2018 at 9:28:58 AM

Eh, Ivanka's a cunt. It's true, and I have no problem with anyone saying it.

I think most gendered insults have lost the gendered implications. Ivanka is a terrible person who deserves to be insulted. Not like Magnificent Bastard or Bitch in Sheep's Clothing are tropes that only apply to men and women, respectively. Cunt is a harsher curse than either of the two mentioned above, but I feel it's still appropriate, given the actions of who it's aimed at.

There are certain slurs that still carry a gendered implication, like "slut" and "whore", but I think "cunt", specifically, has changed in just the past few years to be more inclusive.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243972: May 31st 2018 at 9:30:06 AM

I try to avoid using gendered insults myself, but that's more of a personal preference. I tend to go for more scatalogical insults.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#243973: May 31st 2018 at 9:33:31 AM

I typically stay away from insults in general, but I think examining how society uses them is interesting.

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Lost in Space
#243974: May 31st 2018 at 9:36:42 AM

I think the point here is that Sam Bee's use of that insult was completely intentional and forethought, and not in the least bit sexist. Insults are supposed to be, well, insulting — especially public ones like this.

Also, Sam is well known for claiming "C" word privileges.

edited 31st May '18 9:53:59 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243975: May 31st 2018 at 9:37:51 AM

Bee's words were fueled by pure anger and contempt, not bigotry.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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