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#243701: May 27th 2018 at 7:53:19 PM

And no, I'm not saying the Union should have completely slaughtered the Confederacy. But people should have done more to counter the Lost Cause propaganda.

What I've read is the north tacitly allowed the Lost Cause propaganda to flourish as a way of pacifying relations between northern and southern whites; basically a way to bury the hatchet. Black people and their rights really didn't figure into it at all, which is sad but terribly unsurprising.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243702: May 27th 2018 at 8:11:25 PM

The Civil War was interesting in all of the wars we fought, in the way it split up families and friends.

For a lot of people, the other side wasn't some scary faceless enemy, it was your cousin who you grew up with.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#243703: May 27th 2018 at 8:15:45 PM

Most of Lincoln's in-laws fought for the Confederacy.

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#243704: May 27th 2018 at 8:16:29 PM

[up][up] Which is probably another reason the Union went easy on the Confederates after they lost and allowed the Lost Cause myth to persist. Guess they figured that having less awkward family reunions was more important than the rights of black people.

edited 27th May '18 8:17:14 PM by M84

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#243705: May 27th 2018 at 8:23:55 PM

If you think about it, it's not so different from today, where people just let others indulge in racist behavior because they're too afraid to rock the boat by calling it out.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#243706: May 27th 2018 at 8:25:45 PM

The Racist Grandma is very much Truth in Television. I'm just glad my own grandma isn't particularly vocal with her prejudices. Though I have tried to get her to change her mind on them.

edited 27th May '18 8:26:14 PM by M84

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#243707: May 27th 2018 at 8:50:22 PM

Those Confederate statues were erected by the Daughters of the Confederacy, after all. Just one more ripple effect that (most) modern audiences wouldn't sympathize with.

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#243708: May 27th 2018 at 11:51:33 PM

@ Dingo Walley: What's with the Whig party being stupid in hindsight?

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#243709: May 28th 2018 at 12:08:26 AM

A lot of people are stupid in hindsight, really. It's easy to tell what the bad ideas are when their consequences have already come to fruition.

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#243710: May 28th 2018 at 12:13:05 AM

Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243711: May 28th 2018 at 1:38:18 AM

I have a question about presidents. Have any of them faced accusations about them actually being illegitimate children or one of their parents being so? I know that 1856 candidate John C Fremont was illegitimate, and it's never been made clear who Lincoln's maternal grandfather was

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#243712: May 28th 2018 at 2:11:29 AM

If all you're going to do here is ask for random info about past US Presidents...

Have you at least considered going to Wikipedia or something first?

edited 28th May '18 2:11:40 AM by M84

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243713: May 28th 2018 at 2:50:17 AM

I think a topic of Past US Presidents would be a good place for you to do so.

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#243715: May 28th 2018 at 3:51:03 AM

he means start a topic about past Presidents

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243716: May 28th 2018 at 5:35:05 AM

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15275108400A16373500&page=1#1

Here ya go.

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#243717: May 28th 2018 at 6:18:55 AM

Going to need to be more then a sentence to start the thread off,how about a paragraph?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243719: May 28th 2018 at 7:16:14 AM

[up] Only the ones that were worth anything.

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#243721: May 28th 2018 at 7:26:11 AM

All topics that first appear in OTC are locked from the start.

But yeah, that's a very lack of anything to really get the ball rolling.

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#243722: May 28th 2018 at 7:31:11 AM

I have a question about presidents. Have any of them faced accusations about them actually being illegitimate children or one of their parents being so?

Grover Cleveland; during his first run, Cleveland was accused of siring a child outside of marriage by his opponent, James G. Blane. However, Cleveland immediately confessed to the whole ordeal; admitting he paid child support to the mother until '74 and accepted that the child was his. The 'Halpin Affair' (named after the woman, Maria Crofts Halpin) resulted in a huge boost of popularity to Cleveland, and (along with certain Anti-Irish Blunders from the Republican Party) made him the 22nd President, and the first Democrat President since James Buchanan.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243723: May 28th 2018 at 8:36:26 AM

I think Cadet Bone Spurs may have won the award for the most inappropriate Memorial Day comments ever.

Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#243724: May 28th 2018 at 8:58:49 AM

He couldn't go even four sentences without making Memorial Day about himself.

Wait, scratch that. Half the first tweet is indirect praise of himself. He couldn't go even two sentences without making Memorial Day about himself.

edited 28th May '18 9:00:07 AM by Parable

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#243725: May 28th 2018 at 9:05:53 AM

Yep, Senior Orange Tinyhands sucks and says that stuff to try and rile up his base. I think we need a figure that we can unite the left and say the most outrageous stuff, but it would be true unlike Trump. Just phrasing it in the most outrageous way. Someone who says, "Christians, if you don't want refugees allowed at all then you are committing the real sin of Sodom." or someone who says about Trump, "I wouldn't trust him around teenagers, might be another Roy Moore situation, not saying, just saying"

No in fact, because are stupid electoral system allows smaller states to decide all our fate, we actually need someone like that. Professionalism went out the door when we decided to elect a 4chan meme as president, and if the only way to kneecap him is by by saying outrageous stuff then we have to do that. Nearly anything is worth not having to deal with 4 more years of him.

edited 28th May '18 9:06:27 AM by Wildcard


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