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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243601: May 26th 2018 at 12:13:01 PM

[up] I wonder if that's why Rosenstein and Wray agreed to let him see it?

I do know he didn't actually read the classified documents he demanded last time, so something must of changed. Apparently, he was just sitting there with an unopened folder right in front of him, actually and refused to open it. Gowdy did, actually came out in support of the investigation afterwards.

edited 26th May '18 12:25:57 PM by megaeliz

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#243602: May 26th 2018 at 2:56:01 PM

So remember how Reuters/Ipsos put out a poll last week that had the Generic Republican beating the Generic Democrat by 6%, and how everyone was worrying about that meaning the Republicans were going to win in November? The same poll now has the Gen. Democrat beating the Gen. Republican by 8% this week.

So I think all the worry that Trump was somehow getting people back on his side was grossly exaggerated (some are speculating that Ipsos asked more Republican Voters the previous week then normal); I guess we'll truly see in November, though.

edited 26th May '18 2:57:02 PM by DingoWalley1

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243603: May 26th 2018 at 3:01:19 PM

[up] Polls jump around from week to week, based on a number of factors. What counts is the averages, which has never gone above 50 percent.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#243604: May 26th 2018 at 5:09:36 PM

I heard on the NPR radio show On Point that Republicans are nervous, especially since Paul Ryan basically left them out to dry.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243605: May 26th 2018 at 5:21:26 PM

William Henry Harrison was trying to run for president in 1836. We didn't get to learn much about his plans and policies in the 1840 election because they were busing trashing Buren and Harrison dying a month in office. But in the 1836 election did Harrison make it clearer what he planned to do as president, and what was it?

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#243606: May 26th 2018 at 5:27:42 PM

Umm,I don;t understand your qeastion

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#243607: May 26th 2018 at 5:31:32 PM

[up][up] Not really, no. The Whigs only positions were those in opposition to Jackson, and nothing much else, especially since they only formed a few years into Jackson's 2nd Term. Combined with the Whig's ill thought out plan of 'Let's run 4 different candidates, none in multiple states, in an attempt to keep Van Buren from gaining the EC Win', all with the similar campaign of "We're against Jackson" (although some were Pro-Slavery and States' Rights, and others weren't), there really wasn't much of a campaign for any of them.

We can assume, however, if he were (somehow) elected in '36, he would've basically done what he would've done in '40 had he survived.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243608: May 26th 2018 at 6:26:26 PM

No wonder the Whigs died out.

What were John Tyler's views on his successor, James K Polk, if he had any. Given Tyler was the original Manifest Destiny proponent. I kind of wonder how he'd have dealt with the Mexican-American War. Also, how come he joined the Whigs? From what I understand he didn't get along well with them, and wasn't able to go back to the Democrats.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#243609: May 26th 2018 at 8:44:22 PM

Not to be rude, Clovis, but this popping in almost makes it feel like you're getting questions about the earlier presidents in your homework.

Which can't be the case, because not even American students learn about William Henry Harrison, but still.

It's been fun.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243610: May 26th 2018 at 8:54:34 PM

I learned about Harrison from the Animaniac's Presidents song. "That guy was dead in forty days!" It was actually very useful to me a few years ago when I was taking a history test at my community college.

edited 26th May '18 8:54:58 PM by AceofSpades

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#243611: May 26th 2018 at 8:55:58 PM

[up]x3 He probably supported the Mexican-American War, but he mostly withdrew from Politics after his Presidency (barring a stint as overseer of roads, that he was forced into by his neighbors who mocked him) until he helped make Virginia succeed for the Civil War.

There were 3 reasons why Tyler was a Whig; he was pro-succession even before the Civil War (he sided with South Carolina during the Tariff of Abomination Crisis and helped defeat Andrew Jackson's Bill that would've sent soldiers to any state that didn't follow it), he was against destroying the National Bank (at least the way Jackson did it), and he became a close friend to Henry Clay (one of the major founders of the Whigs). These 3 reasons are why Tyler left the Jacksonian Democrats and joined the Whigs, even though his politics aligned more with the Democrats anyways.

And yeah, the Whigs were a disjointed mess their whole life, and could only really rally around Generals (and the influential founders of the party, like Clay and Daniel Webster), which didn't save them from collapsing when the Slavery Issue became too big to ignore.

[up]x2 While I do agree it's interesting they want to know so much about the first 2 Whig Presidents, I doubt it's over school work (especially since School is over). He might just be really interested in Pre-Civil War, Post-EoGF American Politics?

edited 26th May '18 9:01:00 PM by DingoWalley1

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243612: May 26th 2018 at 11:10:47 PM

@ Red Savant: I'm not doing any homework, I'm just curious about the more obscure presidents and political history

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#243613: May 26th 2018 at 11:30:42 PM

Emails show cooperation among EPA, climate-change deniers:

Newly released emails show senior Environmental Protection Agency officials working closely with a conservative group that dismisses climate change to rally like-minded people for public hearings on science and global warming, counter negative news coverage and tout Administrator Scott Pruitt’s stewardship of the agency.

John Konkus, EPA’s deputy associate administrator for public affairs, repeatedly reached out to senior staffers at the Heartland Institute, according to the emails.

“If you send a list, we will make sure an invitation is sent,” Konkus wrote to then-Heartland president Joseph Bast in May 2017, seeking suggestions on scientists and economists the EPA could invite to an annual EPA public hearing on the agency’s science standards.

Follow-up emails show Konkus and the Heartland Institute mustering scores of potential invitees known for rejecting scientific warnings of man-made climate-change, including from groups like Plants Need CO 2, The Right Climate Stuff, and Junk Science.

The emails underscore how Pruitt and senior agency officials have sought to surround themselves with people who share their vision of curbing environmental regulation and enforcement, leading to complaints from environmentalists that he is ignoring the conclusions of the majority of scientists in and out of his agency especially when it comes to climate-changing carbon emissions.

They were obtained by the Environmental Defense Fund and the Southern Environmental Law Center, which sued to enforce a Freedom of Information request and provided them to The Associated Press.

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#243615: May 27th 2018 at 12:44:06 AM

While some might rag on them for the quietly part, I think that is to their advantage - if they were more loud, Trump might discover it. The man has the attention span of a goldfish. It only exists to him if it is big and loud.

By being quiet, they can do more without him noticing.

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#243616: May 27th 2018 at 1:55:30 AM

[up]

They've done a very good job of being quiet in my opinion. They should stay so - it's a good tactic, seeing how Trump will tweet anything these days remotely connected to him.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243617: May 27th 2018 at 3:24:39 AM

I'm curious about lesser-known presidents in general, since America has an interesting history and I want to know about the guys running it that haven't already been covered plenty. And from what I get, the Whig's presidential schemes were a dumpster fire. But Henry Clay, someone who is well-known in American political history and founded the Whig Party, was their 1844 nominee. James K. Polk was a Dark Horse Victory. What was his plans for the presidency? What would've likely been the consequence in the near future?

edited 27th May '18 3:28:04 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#243618: May 27th 2018 at 8:33:51 AM

Well, Trump's Twitter meltdowns are definitely becoming more frequent.

Yesterday evening

With Spies, or “Informants” as the Democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister (but it’s not), all over my campaign, even from a very early date, why didn’t the crooked highest levels of the FBI or “Justice” contact me to tell me of the phony Russia problem?

This whole Russia Probe is Rigged. Just an excuse as to why the Dems and Crooked Hillary lost the Election and States that haven’t been lost in decades. 13 Angry Democrats, and all Dems if you include the people who worked for Obama for 8 years. #SPYGATE & CONFLICTS OF INTEREST!

When will the 13 Angry Democrats (& those who worked for President O), reveal their disqualifying Conflicts of Interest? It’s been a long time now! Will they be indelibly written into the Report along with the fact that the only Collusion is with the Dems, Justice, FBI & Russia?

Within the past three hours

Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt? They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!

Fantastic to have 400,000 GREAT MEN & WOMEN of Rolling Thunder in D.C. showing their patriotism. They love our Country, they love our Flag, they stand for our National Anthem! Thanks to Executive Director Artie Muller.

Why didn’t the 13 Angry Democrats investigate the campaign of Crooked Hillary Clinton, many crimes, much Collusion with Russia? Why didn’t the FBI take the Server from the DNC? Rigged Investigation!

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#243619: May 27th 2018 at 8:38:50 AM

Wasn't he informed well before the election about Russian interference?

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#243620: May 27th 2018 at 8:43:16 AM

Yes, he was. It's why he responded to a reporter's questions during the 2016 election campaign by directly appealing to Russian hackers to dig up Hillary's emails.

When he remembers that, he'll probably go back to accusing everyone of lying.

edited 27th May '18 8:48:26 AM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243621: May 27th 2018 at 8:50:40 AM

So I guess he's settled on "13 Angry Democrats", for Mueller's prosecutors.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#243622: May 27th 2018 at 9:13:10 AM

"Who’s going to give back the young and beautiful lives (and others) that have been devastated and destroyed by the phony Russia Collusion Witch Hunt? They journeyed down to Washington, D.C., with stars in their eyes and wanting to help our nation...They went back home in tatters!"

...I honestly don't know who he's referring to here.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#243623: May 27th 2018 at 9:14:34 AM

I try not to look at Trump's twitter rants too often. I feel like I'm losing intelligence every time I do.

edited 27th May '18 9:14:51 AM by M84

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#243624: May 27th 2018 at 9:15:08 AM

As far as I'm concerned they're political theatre and nothing more

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#243625: May 27th 2018 at 9:16:33 AM

[up][up] That’s why I blocked him on Twitter. I can feel my brain cells killing themselves as they futilely attempt to comprehend the incomprehensible.

edited 27th May '18 9:26:18 AM by TrashJack

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