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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243576: May 25th 2018 at 10:23:19 PM

I'm just going to point out that there were attempts at trying to get a peaceful resolution before the Revolutionary War. It wasn't something that a bunch of guys suddenly decided was a good idea. There were a lot of preceding incidents and quite a bit of dickery on the side of the British regarding how they treated the colonists at the time.

(Also going to point out the British basically started the slave trade. We don't get to call the British better than the US simply because they stopped doing the thing they started to begin with. And they still didn't stop being dicks all across the world.)

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243577: May 25th 2018 at 10:24:07 PM

I'm just sick of seeing these atrocities happen in the US every single day now on forums. Combine that with my mortality problem, and the future looking worse and worse for the world...

edited 25th May '18 10:37:17 PM by Wariolander

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243578: May 25th 2018 at 10:25:38 PM

[up]I can understand that. But you don't see us getting worked up and advocating violence on a public forum, do you?

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243579: May 25th 2018 at 10:26:44 PM

[up] Well, most of you, at least. I remember seeing others calling for it here too, though.

edited 25th May '18 10:27:03 PM by Wariolander

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243580: May 25th 2018 at 10:28:26 PM

One, you can in fact be banned from forums and not editing, but that's off topic.

Two, it's ok to be angry, but if you keep letting yourself say awful things like this because you're angry, it's going to create a bad environment for discussion. Like, a lot of us are angry, but we don't frequently post about how awful the country is all the time and how the country is over and other places are the lands of saints. Or talk about how an oppressive empire should have crushed one of their colonies just because things are bad right now.

Perspective is important in this conversation, and if all you want to do is vent there's like, Yack Fest or something to go post in. Not here.

[up]Yeah, and most of us shut that down as well, because it's not fucking helpful.

edited 25th May '18 10:28:56 PM by AceofSpades

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243581: May 25th 2018 at 10:28:44 PM

[up][up] If all you're going to post here is violent anti-American xenophobia...

As others have said, this really isn't the appropriate place for it.

edited 25th May '18 10:29:49 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243582: May 25th 2018 at 10:29:27 PM

One page is probably enough to look like dogpiling guys. Let's try and move on.

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243583: May 25th 2018 at 10:30:11 PM

[up] I apologize, and will stick to Yack Fest for venting from now on. Let's change the subject now.

edited 25th May '18 10:30:35 PM by Wariolander

Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#243584: May 25th 2018 at 10:56:29 PM

Pardon me for being blunt, but quite frankly, if anyone talked about black, Muslim, or GLBT people here the same way Wario talks about Americans, they would get banned in two seconds.

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243585: May 25th 2018 at 11:40:12 PM

[up] I at least apologize for any bad things I say, and delete the offending posts.

edited 25th May '18 11:40:30 PM by Wariolander

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243586: May 25th 2018 at 11:55:40 PM

I feel like I missed a very interesting conversation.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#243587: May 26th 2018 at 4:31:10 AM

Moving on, people in South Korea protest and condemn Trump after his canceled summit talks with North Korea.. Supporters say this is Trump flexing his muscles in making people respect America again while others feel it's more of "U.S. is doing this and you're going to follow it whether you like it or not.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#243588: May 26th 2018 at 4:33:27 AM

Trump supporters are trying to spin this as making people respect America again as South Koreans are protesting him?

These people live on a different fucking planet.

i'm tired, my friend
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243589: May 26th 2018 at 4:39:33 AM

[up] Planet Trump is a very weird and scary place.

Disgusted, but not surprised
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243590: May 26th 2018 at 5:29:44 AM

It seems pretty clear that Trump was played by Kim and Xi here. They we’re the only ones who got something they wanted, and they made the US look bad doing it.

They should have sent a poet.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243591: May 26th 2018 at 6:19:33 AM

What did they get? I got the feeling this was mostly a wash.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#243592: May 26th 2018 at 7:08:19 AM

[up] North Korea effectively got legitimization, and both it and China got to see the US knock itself down a peg or ten.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#243593: May 26th 2018 at 7:28:26 AM

Can Stacy Abrams become the first black and female governor of a state, let alone Georgia?

Apparently what she needs to have happen to win basically looks like this:

The math for Abrams looks (roughly) like this: Win 90 percent of the nonwhite vote. (That's doable in part because the vast majority of that electorate is black voters.) Make sure nonwhites are 40 percent of the electorate through intense get-out-the-vote efforts. (That's at least plausible because almost 40 percent of Georgia's citizen voting-age population is nonwhite.) Win 25 percent of the white vote. (That's doable without Abrams being particularly strong in rural areas because a huge part of the Georgia white population is in the Atlanta suburbs.)

In Georgia's last Gubenatorial race in 2014, the Republican won by just about 200,000 votes, and approximately a million African-American voters didn't turn out to vote that year. So pulling a Doug Jones and getting a massive turnout in black vote alone would be a huge step forward. The other part though is making sure there isn't a regressive white backlash. Fortunately it's likely to be a bad year for Republicans and it's likely that their turnout is going to be lowered and turnout among liberals, especially white young liberals, will be up. Hopefully that's enough to put her over the top.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243594: May 26th 2018 at 7:32:43 AM

[up][up]Not to mention he still might hold it anyway.

Washington (CNN) - President Donald Trump told reporters Friday he remains open to holding a summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Un on June 12.

The President said lines of communication had opened between the two countries after officials said Thursday that the North Koreans had become unresponsive, leading to the planned summit's cancellation.

"We're going to see what happens. We're talking to them now. It was a very nice statement they put out," Trump said on the South Lawn before departing in his helicopter for the US Naval Academy in Maryland, where he is delivering a commencement address.

"We'll see what happens. It could even be the 12th. We're talking to them now," he said. "They very much want to do it. We'd like to do it.

There's a lot more to the article, but that's the relevant bit.

edited 26th May '18 7:33:35 AM by kkhohoho

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#243595: May 26th 2018 at 7:53:27 AM

[up]

Trump never does anything by half-measures... which means he lacks any semblance of nuance.

[down]

The worst part is that it may not have been intentional - Trump is just that inept at actually honoring deals (or at least not ones that grossly favor his position), as we've seen time and again.

edited 26th May '18 8:18:59 AM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243596: May 26th 2018 at 7:53:33 AM

[up]x4, x5 They got a little closer to the South by acting reasonable at their meeting, they got a set of exercises canceled and probably had the controls on their border with the Chinese loosened.

They just gave Trump enough rope to hang himself with, which seems to be a strategy he’s completely unable to counter.

edited 26th May '18 7:53:56 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#243597: May 26th 2018 at 8:38:31 AM

Not to mention he still might hold it anyway.

There's a lot more to the article, but that's the relevant bit.

A dark part of me hopes that Trump does say it's back on and then Kim does immediately cancel on him. Just to see Trump embarrassed and the reaction of all his brain dead Breitbart supporters who "defended" the summit cancellation because "That's what a true alpha does when someone else is meeting the terms they want. Take what I offer or walk away! MAGA!"

A sequence where Trump cancels a meeting because "North Korea said totes mean things!", then runs to reestablish it the second Kim shows a hint of still wanting to talk only to get turned down would be darkly hilarious, both because it would trigger Trump's pathological fear of being humiliated and shamed, and his followers would get to see him looking like a pathetic, gullible worm, changing direction with every word from someone else. (Not that most of them would admit it, even to themselves, they'd find a way to rationalize it away.)

Yeah, this wouldn't be a good thing, especially since Trump would do something horrible in response to being shown up like that, and I fully recognize these impulses aren't practical or productive... but we all have our dark side, and we all enjoy a bit of schadenfreude every now and then.

(Sidenote: Lots of people in the Trump administration are trying to use NK going silent and not participating in a prep meeting as an excuse for cancelling the summit. Of course, if they had bothered to listen to briefing about North Korea at all, they'd know that tons of silence and keeping everyone waiting until the last possible minute is the standard NK operating tactic.)

edited 26th May '18 8:41:08 AM by TheWanderer

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243598: May 26th 2018 at 10:21:50 AM

The latest theme of trump tweets seem to be "blame the dems for everything

Yesterday evening

Chicago Police have every right to legally protest against the mayor and an administration that just won’t let them do their job. The killings are at a record pace and tough police work, which Chicago will not allow, would bring things back to order fast...the killings must stop!

Funny to watch the Democrats criticize Trade Deals being negotiated by me when they don’t even know what the deals are and when for 8 years the Obama Administration did NOTHING on trade except let other countries rip off the United States. Lost almost $800 Billion/year under “O”

Senator Schumer and Obama Administration let phone company ZTE flourish with no security checks. I closed it down then let it reopen with high level security guarantees, change of management and board, must purchase U.S. parts and pay a $1.3 Billion fine. Dems do nothing.......but complain and obstruct. They made only bad deals (Iran) and their so-called Trade Deals are the laughing stock of the world!

Today

Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S. Catch and Release, Lottery and Chain must also go with it and we MUST continue building the WALL! DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING MS-13 THUGS.

Unlike what the Failing and Corrupt New York Times would like people to believe, there is ZERO disagreement within the Trump Administration as to how to deal with North Korea...and if there was, it wouldn’t matter. The @nytimes has called me wrong right from the beginning!

The Failing @nytimes quotes “a senior White House official,” who doesn’t exist, as saying “even if the meeting were reinstated, holding it on June 12 would be impossible, given the lack of time and the amount of planning needed.” WRONG AGAIN! Use real people, not phony sources.

Now I know that's true.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243599: May 26th 2018 at 12:05:38 PM

I wonder why Nunes has been so quiet since he got to see documents from the Investigation.

You think he would be all stupidly crowing about it, but we haven't heard a word from him.

edited 26th May '18 12:06:08 PM by megaeliz

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243600: May 26th 2018 at 12:08:18 PM

[up] The obvious answer is because they're potentially damaging to his agenda.

They should have sent a poet.

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