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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243551: May 25th 2018 at 8:09:30 PM

Can Stacy Abrams become the first black and female governor of a state, let alone Georgia?

Apparently what she needs to have happen to win basically looks like this:

The math for Abrams looks (roughly) like this: Win 90 percent of the nonwhite vote. (That's doable in part because the vast majority of that electorate is black voters.) Make sure nonwhites are 40 percent of the electorate through intense get-out-the-vote efforts. (That's at least plausible because almost 40 percent of Georgia's citizen voting-age population is nonwhite.) Win 25 percent of the white vote. (That's doable without Abrams being particularly strong in rural areas because a huge part of the Georgia white population is in the Atlanta suburbs.)

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#243552: May 25th 2018 at 8:27:49 PM

Donald Trump Says "Our Ancestors Tamed a Continent" and "We Are Not Going to Apologize for America."

"Together there is nothing Americans can't do, absolutely nothing," Trump told 2018 graduates of the U.S. Naval Academy. “In recent years, and even decades, too many people have forgotten that truth. They've forgotten that our ancestors trounced an empire, tamed a continent, and triumphed over the worst evils in history."

Speaks for itself, honestly.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243554: May 25th 2018 at 8:31:37 PM

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/05/24/us-house-makes-clear-there-no-authorization-use-military-force-against-iran

Well, it seems the Republicans have a limit. They aren't going to let Trump go to war.

The thing is....was this done because he was going to do it and they had to head it off?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#243555: May 25th 2018 at 8:32:17 PM

Ignorance is truly bliss.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243556: May 25th 2018 at 8:35:13 PM

[up]x4

No matter how often he spews shit like this from his wretched pie hole, it never stops making me sick.

Edit: Page-topper. Without even looking at the previous page how many of you can guess whose words made me sick?

edited 25th May '18 8:37:24 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243557: May 25th 2018 at 8:35:25 PM

Trump's son should be concerned': FBI obtained wiretaps of Putin ally who met with Trump Jr. [1]

The FBI has obtained secret wiretaps collected by Spanish police of conversations involving Alexander Torshin, a deputy governor of Russia’s Central Bank who has forged close ties with U.S. lawmakers and the National Rifle Association, that led to a meeting with Donald Trump Jr. during the gun lobby’s annual convention in Louisville, Ky., in May 2016, a top Spanish prosecutor said Friday.

José Grinda, who has spearheaded investigations into Spanish organized crime, said that bureau officials in recent months requested and were provided transcripts of wiretapped conversations between Torshin and Alexander Romanov, a convicted Russian money launderer. On the wiretaps, Romanov refers to Torshin as “El Padrino,” the godfather.

“Just a few months ago, the wiretaps of these telephone conversations were given to the FBI,” Grinda said in response to a question from Yahoo News during a talk he gave at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. Asked if he was concerned about Torshin’s meetings with Donald Trump Jr. and other American political figures, Grinda replied: “Mr. Trump’s son should be concerned.”

The comments by Grinda were the first clear sign that the FBI may be investigating Torshin, possibly as a part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Torshin — a close political ally of Vladimir Putin — had multiple contacts with conservative activists in the United States during the election, seeking to set up a summit between the Russian president and then candidate Trump. Although the summit never transpired, Torshin did meet briefly with the president’s son at a private dinner in Louisville during the May 2016 annual convention of the NRA. A member of the NRA since 2012, Torshin has been a regular attendee of the group’s conventions in recent years and hosted senior members of the group in Moscow.

Grinda said that the FBI, in its request for the evidence to the Guardia Civil, the Spanish National Police, provided no explanation as to why it was interested in the material and he didn’t ask for one. “I don’t have to ask them why they want this information,” he said. But Grinda added that if Mueller or any other U.S. prosecutor seeks to use the material as part of a court case, they would have to make a second, more formal request to do so to the Spanish government.

Spokesmen for the FBI and Mueller’s office did not respond to requests for comment. Alan Futerfas, a lawyer for Trump Jr., said he was in a meeting and was unable to comment when contacted by Yahoo News.

Torshin has been the subject of intensifying U.S. government and congressional scrutiny over the past year and was recently among a lengthy list of oligarchs and Russian political figures sanctioned by the Treasury Department. As reported by Yahoo News and the Spanish newspaper El País last year, the Spanish National Police were preparing to arrest Torshin in August 2013, when he was expected to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca in August for the birthday party of Romanov. The arrest plan, which involved the deployment of more than a dozen police officers at the airport and at the hotel where the party was supposed to take place, grew out of a lengthy investigation headed by Grinda into Russian organized crime and money laundering. As part of the probe, the Guardia Civil wiretapped Romanov’s phone and picked up 33 conversations with Torshin.

But Torshin never showed up for the party and he was never arrested. Grinda confirmed in an interview after his talk that some in the Guardia Civil suspected that Torshin had been tipped off to the arrest plan by Russian officials who had been asked to cooperate in the Spanish probe. But Grinda added that he was unable to prove that was why Torshin never showed up for the party.

Despite the suspicions about his ties to Russian money laundering, Torshin continued to travel frequently to the United States and even showed up as part of a Russian delegation in February 2017 to the National Prayer Breakfast, where he was at one point scheduled to meet with President Trump. (The meeting was canceled the night before, after National Security Council officials raised concerns about it.) More recently, Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden sent multiple letters to the NRA asking about its ties to Torshin and other Russian figures, questioning whether Russian money was funneled to the NRA to help pay for the more than $30 million the group spent on political ads and get out the vote efforts during the 2016 election.

An NRA lawyer, in responses to Wyden, said that Torshin has only paid his membership dues to the group and that, based on an internal review, the NRA received a total of only $2,500 from about 23 Russia-linked contributors since 2015. However, the NRA is now reviewing its relationship with Torshin in light of the Treasury Department blacklisting him last month. “Based on Mr. Torshin’s listing as a specially designated national as of April 6, we are currently reviewing our responsibilities with respect to him,” NRA general counsel John Frazer wrote to Wyden.

An NRA spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

I'm looking forward to how MAG As will fit Spain into their deep state Conspiracy.

edited 25th May '18 8:43:21 PM by megaeliz

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#243558: May 25th 2018 at 8:43:21 PM

Trump Jr. can be concerned when the FBI takes him away in handcuffs. Until then, he'll probably sleep just fine at night.

I really do hate how sensationalist the press surrounding this investigation is. The Mueller investigation is making progress at what is a lightning-fast rate for this kind of investigation, but it always bugs me to see the news like, "Mueller's talking to a guy who said a thing while Ivanka was in the room. The FBI is coming for her next!!!"

Feels like every other day, the media's announcing victory on the next member of Trump's inner circle that's surely about to be arrested any moment now. Makes it hard to find the actual news amidst all the enthusiastic speculation and arrest fantasies.

edited 25th May '18 8:44:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243559: May 25th 2018 at 8:44:26 PM

[up] that's what the the Prosecutor who got the warrant for the wiretap said, I think.

The best way to think of this as a Mafia investigation. You first go after the little guys, flip them, and work your way inward to the big fish. Personally, my bet's on Roger Stone being in the next round of indictments

edited 25th May '18 8:48:48 PM by megaeliz

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243560: May 25th 2018 at 9:04:21 PM

[up]x8 A small part of that Empire (if the entire British Empire would have fought the US rebels, the US would have been crushed easily), and only one country in a continent (because you sure as hell haven't conquered the rest of North America), which you conquered by massacring the actual Americans who were already living there. And they sure as hell didn't triumph over those evils, seeing as how they (Nazis and Russians) are still causing trouble today. Also, his ancestors were German. They had no part in the foundation of the US.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243562: May 25th 2018 at 9:38:10 PM

Trump is this close to saying slavery was right.

And they sure as hell didn't triumph over those evils, seeing as how they (Nazis and Russians) are still causing trouble today.

Hey, let's not give them too much credit. Modern Nazis are Copycat Losers of even more awful losers.

They're the Rory Burns to Jason Voorhees.

Or even the Billy and Stu.

edited 25th May '18 9:39:36 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243563: May 25th 2018 at 9:39:40 PM

NVM.

edited 25th May '18 10:27:27 PM by Wariolander

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#243564: May 25th 2018 at 9:41:22 PM

Dear God that it would have being a change, having the OG White Overlord still around

Albeit, let's be honest, the situation would be so different that there no way to know if it would be better.

Maybe the dirty America would have ruined the glorious Europe

edited 25th May '18 9:43:08 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243565: May 25th 2018 at 9:57:17 PM

Wario, that kind of talk is intensely unhelpful, and I do believe it's the kind of histrionic statement you've been called out on before. It's also intensely obnoxious.

Also, considering Canada's history with things like "starlight tours" or whatever, they're not exactly lacking in sins as a country. Let's not get into this phase where we start conferring sainthood or moral superiority on a country simply because our own is having extreme troubles right now. It's not constructive.

edited 25th May '18 9:58:00 PM by AceofSpades

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243566: May 25th 2018 at 10:07:18 PM

Sorry, NVM.

edited 25th May '18 10:12:12 PM by Wariolander

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243567: May 25th 2018 at 10:08:42 PM

[up] How about not blaming entire races and countries for our problems? You've been on a real xenophobic streak for a while.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243568: May 25th 2018 at 10:12:09 PM

Yeah, you're blaming things on vast amounts of people for absolute bullshit reasons. I think sometimes you need to take a step away from the keyboards before you post?

I mean, just stating America is scum and others are better isn't exactly useful in discussion about American politics. No country has the monopoly on either goodness or evil, and talking like they somehow do is a terrible argument.

Stop worrying about blaming people so much. We know who the "guilty" parties are and we don't need to go down a spiral of what sounds like blaming everybody like you are, and continuing to search for blame is just stewing in awfulness without looking for a solution. Or, you know, taking a break from such things just to have some time to yourself.

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243569: May 25th 2018 at 10:13:59 PM

NVM.

edited 25th May '18 10:37:33 PM by Wariolander

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243570: May 25th 2018 at 10:15:52 PM

[up] Now you're advocating violence? You're digging yourself deeper here.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#243571: May 25th 2018 at 10:16:28 PM

[up][up]You know that we do democratic systems to avoid having to use force, right?

edited 25th May '18 10:16:44 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243572: May 25th 2018 at 10:18:07 PM

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised Wariolander hasn't been banned yet.

Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#243573: May 25th 2018 at 10:19:12 PM

NVM.

edited 25th May '18 10:21:55 PM by Wariolander

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#243574: May 25th 2018 at 10:19:54 PM

In "the old days" "these assholes" were also frequently in power and still not prone to being removed for a lot of the same reasons, so I'm wondering what the fuck you mean by "the old days". Because boy howdy was that an unverifiable statement you made.

Seriously, you need to chill the fuck out, because you make a lot of statements like these without seeming to consider how you sound. I don't want to tone police or anything, but you frequently veer into unpleasant places with your comments.

[up](they never went away, you should have been pissed before now.)

edited 25th May '18 10:20:33 PM by AceofSpades

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#243575: May 25th 2018 at 10:20:17 PM

[up][up] I still don't see how that means that The British were right and thus Amerikkka had to obey them.

Anyway, I'd recommend calm a bit.

edited 25th May '18 10:21:19 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country

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