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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#243501: May 25th 2018 at 9:13:24 AM

Armed citizens stopping shooters is t an impossibility it’s just very unlikely and more people would be saved by stricter gun control.

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#243502: May 25th 2018 at 9:19:33 AM

You can't reliably count on there to always be a good guy with a gun. But you can more reliably count on laws that prevent or at least deter dangerous people from getting their hands on them.

Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#243503: May 25th 2018 at 9:21:14 AM

And you also can't count on armed "good guys" to be able to hit the bad guys and ONLY the bad guys, or to not be mistaken for bad guys themselves (whether by other "good guys" or by the actual fucking cops), or...

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243504: May 25th 2018 at 9:23:22 AM

It's also worth remembering that the vast majority of people carrying guns around are not trained gunfighters. In most cases, shooting back is essentially just as dangerous as adding a second "bad guy".

Edit: [nja]

edited 25th May '18 9:23:37 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243505: May 25th 2018 at 9:24:12 AM

[up]x5 Don't forget the tiny bats.

edited 25th May '18 9:24:35 AM by kkhohoho

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243506: May 25th 2018 at 9:27:00 AM

At Trump Tower, Michael Cohen and Oligarch Discussed Russian Relations

Eleven days before the presidential inauguration last year, a billionaire Russian businessman with ties to the Kremlin visited Trump Tower in Manhattan to meet with Donald J. Trump’s personal lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, according to video footage and another person who attended the meeting.

In Mr. Cohen’s office on the 26th floor, he and the oligarch, Viktor Vekselberg, discussed a mutual desire to strengthen Russia’s relations with the United States under President Trump, according to Andrew Intrater, an American businessman who attended the meeting and invests money for Mr. Vekselberg. The men also arranged to see one another at the inauguration, the second of their three meetings, Mr. Intrater said.

Days after the inauguration, Mr. Intrater’s private equity firm, Columbus Nova, awarded Mr. Cohen a $1 million consulting contract, a deal that has drawn the attention of federal authorities investigating Mr. Cohen, according to people briefed on the inquiry.

Mr. Intrater said in an interview that Mr. Vekselberg, his cousin and biggest client, had no role in Columbus Nova’s decision to hire Mr. Cohen as a consultant. When asked about the meeting at Trump Tower during the presidential transition, Mr. Intrater described it as a brief and impromptu discussion, and said that Mr. Vekselberg had not originally planned to attend.

“Obviously, if I’d known in January 2017 that I was about to hire this high-profile guy who’d wind up in this big mess, I wouldn’t have introduced him to my biggest client, and wouldn’t have hired him at all,” Mr. Intrater said, adding that he had agreed to be interviewed about his dealings with Mr. Cohen because he had not done anything wrong.

The disclosure of the meeting sheds additional light on the intersection between Mr. Trump’s inner-circle and Russians with ties to the Kremlin.

The meeting came after Mr. Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., met at Trump Tower during the campaign with a Kremlin-linked lawyer claiming to have damaging information on his opponent, Hillary Clinton, and a former campaign aide, George Papadopoulos, met with Russian intermediaries in Europe. During the campaign, Mr. Cohen was pursuing a deal to build a Trump high-rise in Moscow, which did not come to fruition.

Lawyers for Mr. Vekselberg and Mr. Cohen did not respond to requests for comment.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#243507: May 25th 2018 at 9:31:19 AM

It's getting to the point where they'll need an armed escort to enter the school,depressing as it is

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243508: May 25th 2018 at 9:33:43 AM

The sad part of that sort of thing has precedent, if for different reasons.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#243509: May 25th 2018 at 9:37:19 AM

No, what's THE most depressing part is despite all this talk about bulletproof vests and life insurance, teachers are still going to get shit pay and will have pay for vests and guns out of their own pockets.

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243510: May 25th 2018 at 9:39:41 AM

[up] Meanwhile, our illustrious Secretary of Education is more concerned with booting out undocumented immigrant children from schools.

edited 25th May '18 9:40:37 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeathorCake Since: Mar, 2016
#243511: May 25th 2018 at 9:43:43 AM

[up]

Do you even have many illegal immigrant children in schools? This seems very much like a non-problem even if you ARE a maybot-style immigration zealot, although admittedly De Vos seems genuinely nuts.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#243512: May 25th 2018 at 9:59:03 AM

They exist, but there aren't that many. Still, even if there were a handful, tasking schools with sniffing them out is hugely unethical.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#243513: May 25th 2018 at 10:10:02 AM

They're going for the children because they know where there are children they'll find their adult parents,that and they're can punish schools who fail to report undeclared students

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#243514: May 25th 2018 at 10:59:02 AM

Which means undocumented immigrants will simply stop sending their children to school... which the GOP probably considers a feature.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243515: May 25th 2018 at 11:27:31 AM

There's likely some truth the to the idea of Criminals infiltrating ICE. It's widely known that organized smuggling group have infiltrated the Border Patrol .

What I would like to see happen, is a massive public corruption investigation into both agencies, and heavily increased vetting of applicants.

edited 25th May '18 11:52:02 AM by megaeliz

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i'm tired, my friend
#243516: May 25th 2018 at 11:49:29 AM

I already knew the Republican Party doesn't like brown people, but it feels like every part of this Administration is doubling down on kicking immigrants out of the country recently. Are they getting desperate or something? It's not like efforts to protect and grant citizenship to illegal immigrants have been ramping up as of late. What do they think they're gonna get out of this besides a whiter America and a thorough slaughtering in November?

i'm tired, my friend
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243517: May 25th 2018 at 11:50:53 AM

A whiter America, of course

edited 25th May '18 11:51:01 AM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243518: May 25th 2018 at 11:52:40 AM

And with no regard or seeming ability for long-term planning, they're just making it more likely that their whiter American becomes a short-lived reversible thing.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#243519: May 25th 2018 at 12:00:09 PM

I'm a way that's precisely why I want to know. Catching these guys alive means they actually have to answer for what they did and maybe, just maybe, being able to do so more consistently will dissuade the ones who use these attacks as flashy suicides.

I think the shootings are just becoming so normalized that people who aren't looking for a flashy suicide are starting to jump on the bandwagon.

Some agenda-driven shooters (read: terrorist white dudes) may also be realizing that there's so much press and publicity around these shootings now, and it's easier to get your agenda across in an interview on CNN than from posthumous police reports about your blog.

But those are just my thoughts.

edited 25th May '18 12:01:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#243520: May 25th 2018 at 12:42:00 PM

Considering all that was just recently revealed and said, I do not necessarily feel my comparison of ICE to the SS has been rendered less apt.

...albeit, they lack many of the efficient sociopath types that let the SS be as dangerous as it was.

Instead I think it can easily be said ICE is nothing but a group of criminal thugs at this point, with aspirations for more, who need to be dismantled.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243521: May 25th 2018 at 1:07:06 PM

[up] A lot of the problems that keep happening in these agencies would be solved if we are

A. Honest about what these jobs entail:

  • a lot of the advertising in media gives people a completely unrealistic expectation of what they will actually be doing, and at worst attracts the absolute last people you'd want doing the job. John Oliver sums it up nicely for the border patrol here.

B. Increased vetting and training of people looking to get a job

  • These are jobs not everyone is suited for, and in the rush to hire more people, the standards for hiring, and training have been lowered immensely.

edited 25th May '18 1:17:32 PM by megaeliz

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Professional Forum Ninja
#243522: May 25th 2018 at 1:19:28 PM

Representative Dana Rohrabacher has lost the support of the National Association of Realtors after saying homeowners shouldn't have to sell to the LGBT community.

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Cream Creamier~ from Planet NTR Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Creamier~
#243523: May 25th 2018 at 1:20:09 PM

ICE is a racist institution by design and since inception, much like the American Police system.

Being racist and cruel is a feature, so any notions of replacing the people that run or support these institutions with "good people" with "good intentions" is a little naïve.

Like thinking the NRA could be used for good if it was run by good people.

Rawr.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243524: May 25th 2018 at 1:40:28 PM

[up] Most of the stuff ICE does is fairly mundane, even necessary. They're the agency that handles human trafficking and such, for example They exist because the old set of agencies that handled these tasks was wildly, unbelievably inefficient. After 9/11 they were fused together into new organizations under DHS, which has proven to work a lot better.

The problems rest in one division, ERO, which was set up specifically to go after undocumented people. I honestly question the need for a division like that at all, but the institutional culture there needs to change or be changed on short notice.

They should have sent a poet.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#243525: May 25th 2018 at 1:44:08 PM

In fairness to DeVos (A Rare Sentence from me) - her exact comments were that it should be a school decision, which means those in "Sanctuary Cities" would likely be safe, whereas those in Red districts would be at risk.

“I think that’s a school decision, it’s a local community decision,” she said. "And again, I refer to the fact that we have laws and we also are compassionate, and I urge this body to do its job and address and clarify where there is confusion around this.”

It's not a mountain out of a molehill, but it's making Everest out of Denali.

Alternatively, she might be trying to shield those poor children from potential school shootings!

...yeah, Too Soon.

edited 25th May '18 1:45:18 PM by ironballs16

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