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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243451: May 24th 2018 at 11:08:27 PM

People be saying Trump and Bush Jr are some of our worst parents, but reading up on presidential history and the mid-19th century was a garbage fire. John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson are all runners for the worst presidents and they're at most eight years separate of each other.

Of these five, who do you think was the worst and the least bad, and why do you think so? For me, while I think Pierce was a bad president I honestly can't hate him because he had horrible personal luck working against him

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243452: May 24th 2018 at 11:12:25 PM

Dubya and Trump are the worst Presidents we've had since the USA became a bonafide superpower.

Disgusted, but not surprised
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243454: May 25th 2018 at 12:45:37 AM

http://www.newsweek.com/winery-part-owned-devin-nunes-sued-over-cocaine-and-prostitutes-yacht-party-942405

During the yacht party, the lawsuit claims the 25 male auction winners, whom the lawsuit described as top investors in the winery, took what appeared to be cocaine and drew straws for sex workers, The Fresno Bee reported.

“Plaintiff realized that the men had brought prostitutes, hard liquor, and what appeared to be cocaine onto the Yacht. Plaintiff was extremely disturbed by the presence of the prostitutes, especially because it appeared that some of the girls were too young to consent to sexual activity,” the lawsuit claimed.

M84, remember when we talked about how you were seriously suggesting Trump supporters were involved in child slavery and sex trafficking?

Well, the investigation here seems to be that....at the least, they have child sex slaves brought to parties. The title is annoying because cocaine and prostitutes is a weird thing to focus on in that case.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/6/1578544/-The-Untold-Story-of-Trump-Model-Management-A-Daily-Kos-Exclusive-Part-1

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes commented that Trump Models seemed to be borderline human trafficking, initially making the comment on Twitter and later on dedicating a segment of his prime time show to exploring the topic. Seth Meyers, for his part, did a segment on the MJ piece as well, comparing it to an episode of Law & Order SVU. While his commentary was cloaked in his usual sardonic humor, Seth’s disgust was evident as he wondered aloud if the prospect of Trump harboring sex slaves in his proverbial basement would be enough to make voters sour on his candidacy.

edited 25th May '18 12:48:30 AM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#243455: May 25th 2018 at 1:12:37 AM

[up][up] Yeah. but Ronnie Raygun may have a medical excuse. There is (admittedly circumstantial) evidence that he may have already been displaying symptom's of Alzheimer's late in his first term. Which means that you can never sure of how much of what he did was him.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#243456: May 25th 2018 at 1:26:29 AM

So, that supreme court decision, on a scale of 1 to Dred Scott, just how bad is it?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243457: May 25th 2018 at 1:34:46 AM

Ah, Nunes. He never fails to be a blight upon my state.

As for whether voters would be soured on Trump if he had sex slaves...the more toxic ones in the alt-right would probably like him even more.

edited 25th May '18 1:36:40 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#243459: May 25th 2018 at 3:13:00 AM

@Dingo Walley: Also, we don't know whether Ryan will have the nerve to break the Hastert Rule even as a lame duck. Republican Speakers aren't willing to build issue-by-issue coalitions.

Ingonyama Since: Jan, 2001
#243460: May 25th 2018 at 3:26:32 AM

Re: human trafficking—considering all the separating of children from their families that ICE is doing at the border, and the 1400+ migrant children who HHS "can't find", I'd say this administration is already allowing it, if not actively participating. Or perhaps they've been put into sweatshops, sold for parts, put in mass graves..."or something."

God, I hate these fuckers.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#243461: May 25th 2018 at 3:30:08 AM

Considering how comparable ICE is to the SS, I'm willing to bet that they did some screwed up stuff. Crematoria?

Well, considering Arpaio already loves the idea of concentration camps...

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#243462: May 25th 2018 at 3:41:16 AM

Comparing ICE to the SS is fucking dumb,just saying

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thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#243463: May 25th 2018 at 4:26:21 AM

[up][up] Are you actually suggesting that ICE is mass killing these children ?

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243464: May 25th 2018 at 4:33:10 AM

Yyyyyyyeah, let's not go full Info Wars here.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243465: May 25th 2018 at 4:38:49 AM

The possibility of some of them ending in the hands of human traffickers due to police corruption, incompetence, and simple lack of care is not a statistically insignificant possibility.

So they don't need to be committing the Purge.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#243466: May 25th 2018 at 5:10:26 AM

Yeah. but Ronnie Raygun may have a medical excuse. There is (admittedly circumstantial) evidence that he may have already been displaying symptom's of Alzheimer's late in his first term. Which means that you can never sure of how much of what he did was him.

All of it, still. Alzheimer's Disease doesn't turn you into Two-Face, you're still responsible for your own actions. Especially when the consequences affect hundreds of millions, if not billions of people.

Also, to give some context to the NYT article, this is one in five of the children displaced in foster care 'or whatever' by ICE in Arizona. One in five migrant kids, just whoopsie-daisy disappearing in the foster care system. That's grotesque.

Oh, and to compound this bullshit, ICE is now fighting to be legally allowed to destroy records relating to sexual assault, solitary confinement or deaths while in ICE custody.

edited 25th May '18 5:19:44 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243467: May 25th 2018 at 5:22:56 AM

Re: Nunes, my first thought was to ponder "Wasn't QAnon's claim that Trump was doing that sort of crackdown on the Democrats?"

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243468: May 25th 2018 at 5:51:26 AM

Last year, a book came out by James Patterson (of all people) describing the Epstein child sex scandle. It mentioned that Trump visited Epstein, and attended at least one of his parties. I always wondered if there was more to it than that.

edited 25th May '18 5:51:38 AM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#243469: May 25th 2018 at 6:05:13 AM

ICE Plans to Start Destroying Records of Immigrant Abuse, Including Sexual Assault and Deaths in Custody

Oh for crying out loud. They're even admitting to trying a coverup now.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#243470: May 25th 2018 at 6:08:06 AM

Is it a cover up when they don't even try to hide it?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243471: May 25th 2018 at 6:09:59 AM

Well, they're not trying to hide that they have stuff they want to hide that really shouldn't be hidden. But they're still trying to hide that stuff.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#243473: May 25th 2018 at 6:15:14 AM

[up][up][up][up]We really need a good president and good government to reform ICE, cause right now as it stands they are basically American stormtroopers.

edited 25th May '18 6:15:42 AM by Wildcard

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243474: May 25th 2018 at 6:40:33 AM

I guess they've gotten too lazy to just fudge reports. They just want to be allowed to outright shred them now. Next they'll argue that they don't need to make reports at all.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if there really are a bunch of assholes in ICE engaging in sex trafficking of immigrants.

edited 25th May '18 6:43:08 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243475: May 25th 2018 at 6:46:14 AM

Some people should be more concerned about the next Democratic administration.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.

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