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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#243101: May 21st 2018 at 9:00:21 PM

[up]x2

We need to secure our border.

I have a real problem with this line of thinking, personally; Our Borders are secure. No country, especially our neighbors, are threatening to invade us for any parcel of our land. Borders are not created by people randomly moving from one spot to another; Borders are created by legal agreements between governing bodies that recognize said governing bodies control over areas of land and sea.

To me, 'Secure our Border' is feeling more and more like more Know-Nothing Racism being disguised as 'proper speech', just like 'Law and Order' and 'MS-13 are Animals'.

edited 21st May '18 9:04:14 PM by DingoWalley1

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243102: May 21st 2018 at 9:02:55 PM

[up][up] Just don't try to claim that we should classify hatred as a mental illness. It's just a bad idea for various reasons, including the one I mentioned.

edited 21st May '18 9:04:19 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243103: May 21st 2018 at 9:03:50 PM

[up][up] It's safer for everyone to have at least some type of control over borders. Things like smuggling go both ways, and is harmful to people on both sides of the border. (For example American guns being smuggled into Mexico and Narcotics being smuggled into the US.)

edited 21st May '18 10:11:25 PM by megaeliz

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243105: May 21st 2018 at 9:04:40 PM

[up][up]That said, the actual immigration problem we've got is people coming from overseas letting visas expire. It's not really a land border problem.

[up] The Canadians softened us up with Bieber and Cruz. Next they will try to kill us by introducing poutine.

edited 21st May '18 9:05:52 PM by M84

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243106: May 21st 2018 at 9:06:38 PM

[up][up]Only problem is that Mexico isn't willing to go along with our Skewer the Eagle plan.tongue

edited 21st May '18 9:07:05 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243107: May 21st 2018 at 9:07:38 PM

Of course, there's a reason those border assholes aren't really as worried about the Canadian border even though it's even less secure.

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#243108: May 21st 2018 at 9:09:20 PM

[up]x5 While I can't speak for Mexico, I know for a fact America's Drug and Gang problems come from the terrible War on Drugs and Pharmaceutical Laws. If we ended the former (at least federally, with possession and transportation) and worked on the latter, that would solve a lot of problems in this field. Heck, it would severely weaken MS-13's, and the other Gangs, power in the USA (if not outright destroyed them).

edited 21st May '18 9:09:36 PM by DingoWalley1

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#243109: May 21st 2018 at 9:10:02 PM

The rest of the quote read more as securing the border via: A) not randomly throwing people out in stupid ways, and B) making it less likely people will arrive illegally in the first place.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#243110: May 21st 2018 at 9:11:48 PM

[up] the best way to do that would be to make immigrating legally easier, I think. Anyway the birthrate in America is declining heavily, and we could benefit an influx from immigration.

[up][up] Yes, that would be ideal.

[up]x5

That said, the actual immigration problem we've got is people coming from overseas letting visas expire. It's not really a land border problem.

And that's another reason why Trump's wall is such a dumb idea.

What is the solution to that though, I wonder?

edited 21st May '18 9:33:38 PM by megaeliz

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243111: May 21st 2018 at 9:17:57 PM

The thing that's always gotten me about the wall is that it's been known for years it would be totally inefficient at actually stopping people from getting through.

And I know on most issues that Republicans don't care about reality, but when it comes to making things harder for immigrants, I'd figure they'd actually care more about substance than style.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243112: May 21st 2018 at 9:18:19 PM

A friend of mine also pointed out the importation of "evil" goes both ways.

Drugs get imported to the US

WEAPONS get imported to Mexico

edited 21st May '18 9:18:29 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#243113: May 21st 2018 at 9:23:59 PM

To solve the dehumanization bickering: we shall all shut the fuck up about it or I will have to metaphorically burn anyone who even brings it up again. No exceptions.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243114: May 21st 2018 at 9:25:02 PM

[up] We had already kind of moved on to talking about the borders.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243115: May 21st 2018 at 9:27:11 PM

The only borders are in my heart.

[Sings 'Nobody's Side' from Chess]

edited 21st May '18 9:27:29 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#243116: May 21st 2018 at 9:39:24 PM

[up][up]

Excellent. I will not have to set fire to this forum to let everyone unite in a common cause, putting out the fire.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#243117: May 22nd 2018 at 2:16:54 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-backlash-barack-michelle-obama-deal-conservatives-2018-5

Not sure if I can put this here, but Netflix is getting boycotts because of the Obamas getting a deal with them.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243118: May 22nd 2018 at 2:18:53 AM

Guess this means they'll be stuck watching Roseanne's shitty revival show. As well as Tim Allen's new show.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243119: May 22nd 2018 at 2:25:28 AM

Roseanne is an incredibly liberal show.

Roseanne is the star, lesbian liberal commentator Sarah Gilbert is the producer as well as primary writer.

edited 22nd May '18 2:25:43 AM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#243120: May 22nd 2018 at 2:33:06 AM

Roseanne is a Trump supporter (both characrers) from what I've gathered,which makes people less likely to watch it

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243121: May 22nd 2018 at 2:33:45 AM

[up][up] Right, a "liberal" show would make a joke about waterboarding and how people who think it's torture are idiots.

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Imca (Veteran)
#243122: May 22nd 2018 at 2:34:59 AM

[up]Or making fun of civil rights issues, or corporeal punishment.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243123: May 22nd 2018 at 2:42:36 AM

A liberal show which devotes an episode to saying Islamophobia is only something done by idiots.

A show which has a gender non-conforming child accepted by his parents as well as encouraged to continue displaying that attitude.

And a mixed race grandchild who goes uncommented on.

Also, the "waterboarding" joke is about holding a teenager under the faucet. An action condemned by the character played by....Sarah Gilbert.

edited 22nd May '18 2:46:09 AM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#243124: May 22nd 2018 at 3:06:25 AM

So I'm assuming Roseanne is one of those morons? The fact that their Muslim neighbors in that episode had to prove that they weren't terrorists isn't "combating Islamophobia" in any way whatsoever.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243125: May 22nd 2018 at 3:08:10 AM

It's a show that essentially tries to portray Trump supporters as sympathetic and misguided at worst.

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