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#242601: May 16th 2018 at 5:40:48 PM

“When we’ve been asked about a male Brazilian wax in the past we tell them we’re not able to provide that service and they move on,” Carruthers said. ”It’s never been a issue.”

It's just... not done at all.

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#242602: May 16th 2018 at 5:42:56 PM

Well, no, they do provide that service, as evidenced by this quote:

He further explained the only staff member he had who did male waxing was off on a sick leave and there was no one else.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#242603: May 16th 2018 at 5:43:23 PM

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That was my initial reading, too, but that person actually doesn't do Brazilian waxes on male genitals either - they work exclusively with back/chest for men. So TL;DR - the wax shop doesn't offer a Brazilian wax to anyone with a penis, and given the sensitivity of the region and the myriad things that can go wrong by having someone unskilled try to do so, I can't say as I blame them. I kind of doubt they'd want someone skilled at giving such waxes to scrotums (scrota?) to give them to labial folds, after all.

Carruthers said 98 per cent of the spa’s clientele is female and all of his staff are female. The spa has done waxing on the arms and backs of male clients in the past.

“When we’ve been asked about a male Brazilian wax in the past we tell them we’re not able to provide that service and they move on,” Carruthers said. ”It’s never been a issue.”

And incidentally, the forum I heard about this from had someone point out that another spa in the same city that DOES offer men's Brazilian waxes, and it's priced as $15 higher than a women's Brazilian, which lends credence to my thought that it's about the complexity of the procedure (and the lack of skill on-staff) than about trans-phobia.

edited 16th May '18 5:50:53 PM by ironballs16

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#242604: May 16th 2018 at 5:49:31 PM

EDIT: nevermind, I don't know what a Brazilian is.

edited 16th May '18 5:51:11 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#242605: May 16th 2018 at 5:50:28 PM

This is also getting into the thorny subject of whether the genitalia of a trans woman who has not undergone surgery should be considered "male" genitalia (as it would be recognized as anatomically, therefore a "penis") or "female" genitalia (as it belongs to an individual who identifies as female, therefore a "large clitoris").

If the Muslim employee was a Shi'a, I believe the Ayatollah issued a fatwah declaring trans people to be the gender they identify as, although I don't know if he believed they needed surgery to "count" or not.

edited 16th May '18 5:51:48 PM by AlleyOop

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#242606: May 16th 2018 at 5:50:51 PM

Sounds to me like poor communication led to a gross overreaction. Some people really need to lighten up, and not scream "Discrimination!" at every little thing...

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#242607: May 16th 2018 at 5:51:21 PM

No, you've reread it and misread it again.

He said it was clear from his conversation with the complainant that the services sought were for a Brazilian wax and not leg waxing as has been suggested since.

Can we not insist upon assuming the owner is a liar simply to turn this into religion-vs-gender-identity?

[up][up] Pretty certain that in the case of Brazilian waxes, anatomical considerations are the relevant ones here.

edited 16th May '18 5:52:11 PM by RainehDaze

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#242608: May 16th 2018 at 5:52:33 PM

I edited my earlier post to make clear that I had no idea what a Brazilian is off the top of my head.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#242609: May 16th 2018 at 5:52:40 PM

I mean, it does sound discriminatory, just not specifically about gender-identity, and even perhaps with actually good reasoning behind. Also not in a way that I think most people would care about except for in circumstances like this.

edited 16th May '18 5:54:50 PM by LSBK

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#242610: May 16th 2018 at 5:53:50 PM

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Yeah, it's coming across to me (again, cis white male, so complete lack of experience on this issue) as a bit of a Stop Being Stereotypical moment rather than something that should have had a Human Rights complaint filed.

And [up]x5; as I mentioned, in this case it seems to be about the complexity of the procedure when you're dealing with a scrotum vs. labia rather than a discriminatory practice. It's like asking someone who's used to giving manicures to give a pedicure - there's skill overlap, yes, but there are some major differences between the two on a mechanical level that shouldn't be overlooked.

edited 16th May '18 5:54:35 PM by ironballs16

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#242611: May 16th 2018 at 5:54:29 PM

Mueller subpoenas former Roger Stone media adviser

Special counsel Robert Mueller has subpoenaed a social media specialist who previously worked for Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone, according to a report.

A lawyer for social media and Twitter expert Jason Sullivan told Reuters that two subpoenas were delivered last week to Sullivan's lawyers.

The report says the subpoenas seem to indicate that Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election is partly focusing on Stone and his communications with Wiki Leaks founder Julian Assange.

Stone has made contradicting statements about whether he knew in advance that Wiki Leaks was going to publish a trove of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails.

He appeared before the Senate Intelligence Committee last year and denied collusion between those close to Trump and Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign.

"I am aware of no evidence whatsoever of collusion by the Russian state or anyone in the Trump campaign," he told reporters in September.

Sullivan told Reuters that he worked as Stone's chief strategist on the Trump campaign, and currently is in charge of Cyphoon.com.

Sources close to the Mueller probe told Reuters that Mueller is investigating whether Trump campaign associates helped Wiki Leaks time the release of the DNC emails.

Sullivan told Reuters that he helped Stone and the Trump campaign create Twitter "swarms" that would boost social media support for the candidate. One strategy document obtained by Reuters that Sullivan prepared referenced "The Age of Weaponized Social Media."

Reuters cited an Election Day tweet from Trump, which garnered more than 343,000 retweets.

Sullivan told the outlet that swarm from that tweet contributed to overcoming a surge in pro-Clinton social media posts.

Mueller has subpoenaed Sullivan to appear before a grand jury on May 18 and to turn over documents and electronic information.

He asked for 70 subpoenas, and each person gets two, so that means we have one down, 34 to go.

edited 16th May '18 6:01:03 PM by megaeliz

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#242612: May 16th 2018 at 5:54:43 PM

Sounds to me like poor communication led to a gross overreaction. Some people really need to lighten up, and not scream "Discrimination!" at every little thing...
With all due respect Transgendered people are constantly surrounded by discrimination and hate so it's rather obscene to say that they should just "lighten up", now given that I had missed the fact that they don't offer that specific service I will withdraw my opposition but I still don't think this sentiment is a good one.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#242613: May 16th 2018 at 5:56:25 PM

It strikes me as something that while in this particularly situation the store might not have been in the wrong or malicious, it's totally understandable why the woman in question would naturally not make that assumption.

edited 16th May '18 5:57:11 PM by LSBK

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#242614: May 16th 2018 at 5:58:57 PM

Remember how Trump today revealed in a Financial Disclosure that he did pay Michael Cohen last year for his Payment to silence Stormy Daniels? Turns out, the fact that he only mentioned those payments today means he violated a law that could send him to jail for a Year. A Government Ethics Committee has sent a referral over this payment to the Justice Department. Independent Committees and Democrat Lawmakers are pushing for an investigation into these payments as they also might violate Election Finance laws.

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#242615: May 16th 2018 at 5:59:05 PM

[up][up][up]Perhaps, but it's somewhat similar to black people overplaying the race card every time they face some obstacle. For example, being denied a loan. Not because you're black, but because you have a poor credit rating. If the fundamental underlying issue is not actually about race/gender/whatever type of discrimination, then don't make it into something that it's not.

edited 16th May '18 6:07:35 PM by pwiegle

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#242616: May 16th 2018 at 6:00:33 PM

[up]...

[down]That's a good summarization of things.

edited 16th May '18 6:03:01 PM by LSBK

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#242617: May 16th 2018 at 6:01:52 PM

I mean when persistent background discrimination is a thing in your life and that can be demonstrably measured, that's a default level of unnecessary stress that puts you on edge and makes you much more wary of any future events. Doesn't mean that they should automatically be handed the moral high ground because of that, but the mindset is understandable if not necessarily always justified.

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#242618: May 16th 2018 at 6:17:42 PM

Regarding the spa case, the legal standard for businesses here is generally "reasonable accommodation". If they offered the service after the employee who normally does that procedure comes in, they might be in the clear.

The Cambridge Analytica whistle blower told Congress that Bannon specifically directed the firm to suppress and disengage the African-American electorate wherever possible. This should surprise no one.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/cambridge-analytica-congress-wylie/index.html

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#242619: May 16th 2018 at 6:18:26 PM

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Understandable, but the Everything Is Racist mentality can lead to backlash itself - it's a weird-ass balancing act.

And oddly enough, a similar case did happen in Yellow Springs, Ohio back in the 1960s - a barber refused service to African-American customers because he didn't know how to cut their hair, prompting a legal battle that ended with protests and the barber closing his shop after one night became riotous.

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The issue, as mentioned before, is that the parlor doesn't give that particular type of waxing to male genitals - which, as others have pointed out, might have been the problem, as the caller might have viewed that as misgendering her, and it snowballed from there.

edited 16th May '18 6:20:19 PM by ironballs16

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#242620: May 16th 2018 at 6:20:58 PM

Perhaps, but it's somewhat similar to black people overplaying the race card every time they face some obstacle

I'll keep this short since this is not the race thread, but I find this statement incredibly ridiculous when literally yesterday a 13 year old black boy was NEARLY TORTURED because he was black. And no, that is not an assumption. When they boy asked the 6 men who kidnapped him why they did so, they said, "Because you are black, and you deserve to die".

Don't catch you slippin' now.
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#242621: May 16th 2018 at 6:23:11 PM

Yeah I am extremely skeptical of the idea that black people using their race as an excuse is a noteworthy phenomenon, and fundamentally as others have said because minorities face continued discrimination and bigotry it should be understandable that they are more sensitive to possible examples of it.

Now that doesn't mean they're automatically justified but I think it's extremely insensitive to say that they should "lighten up" or "stop making everything about their race/gender identity".

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#242622: May 16th 2018 at 6:23:18 PM

"Overplaying the race card every time they face an obstacle"...really?

edited 16th May '18 6:28:30 PM by M84

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#242623: May 16th 2018 at 6:27:06 PM

Perhaps, but it's somewhat similar to black people overplaying the race card every time they face some obstacle. For example, being denied a loan. Not because you're black, but because you have a poor credit rating.

Typically, this type of language is used to discredit the idea that black people face any kind of discrimination at all. It's right up there with "stop blaming all your problems on white people" and "stop playing the victim".

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#242624: May 16th 2018 at 6:28:39 PM

Also the loan denying thing really isn't the best example considering that plenty of black people have been denied loans for a "bad" credit rating that wouldn't have cost white people the loans. Mortgage discrimination was, and to an extent still is, a thing.

This language is similar to the whole "bootstraps" bullshit that rich people like to use to blame poor people for their own poverty.

edited 16th May '18 6:30:22 PM by M84

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#242625: May 16th 2018 at 6:44:29 PM

Back to Trump and Cohen, the story just keeps getting more remarkable.

Missing Files Motivated the Leak of Michael Cohen’s Financial Records [1]

A law-enforcement official released the documents after finding that additional suspicious transactions did not appear in a government database.

Last week, several news outlets obtained financial records showing that Michael Cohen, President Trump’s personal attorney, had used a shell company to receive payments from various firms with business before the Trump Administration. In the days since, there has been much speculation about who leaked the confidential documents, and the Treasury Department’s inspector general has launched a probe to find the source. That source, a law-enforcement official, is speaking publicly for the first time, to The New Yorker, to explain the motivation: the official had grown alarmed after being unable to find two important reports on Cohen’s financial activity in a government database. The official, worried that the information was being withheld from law enforcement, released the remaining documents.

The payments to Cohen that have emerged in the past week come primarily from a single document, a “suspicious-activity report” filed by First Republic Bank, where Cohen’s shell company, Essential Consultants, L.L.C., maintained an account. The document detailed sums in the hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to Cohen by the pharmaceutical company Novartis, the telecommunications giant A.T. & T., and an investment firm with ties to the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg.

The report also refers to two previous suspicious-activity reports, or sars, that the bank had filed, which documented even larger flows of questionable money into Cohen’s account. Those two reports detail more than three million dollars in additional transactions—triple the amount in the report released last week. Which individuals or corporations were involved remains a mystery. But, according to the official who leaked the report, these sars were absent from the database maintained by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or fincen. The official, who has spent a career in law enforcement, told me, “I have never seen something pulled off the system. . . . That system is a safeguard for the bank. It’s a stockpile of information. When something’s not there that should be, I immediately became concerned.” The official added, “That’s why I came forward.”

Seven former government officials and other experts familiar with the Treasury Department’s fincen database expressed varying levels of concern about the missing reports. Some speculated that fincen may have restricted access to the reports due to the sensitivity of their content, which they said would be nearly unprecedented. One called the possibility “explosive.” A record-retention policy on fincen’s Web site notes that false documents or those “deemed highly sensitive” and “requiring strict limitations on access” may be transferred out of its master file. Nevertheless, a former prosecutor who spent years working with the fincen database said that she knew of no mechanism for restricting access to sars. She speculated that fincen may have taken the extraordinary step of restricting access “because of the highly sensitive nature of a potential investigation. It may be that someone reached out to fincen to ask to limit disclosure of certain sars related to an investigation, whether it was the special counsel or the Southern District of New York.” (The special counsel, Robert Mueller, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. The Southern District is investigating Cohen, and the F.B.I. raided his office and hotel room last month.)

Whatever the explanation for the missing reports, the appearance that some, but not all, had been removed or restricted troubled the official who released the report last week. “Why just those two missing?” the official, who feared that the contents of those two reports might be permanently withheld, said. “That’s what alarms me the most.”

fincen said in a statement that it protects the confidentiality of sars “in order to protect both filers and potentially named individuals.” The statement added, “Fin CEN neither confirms nor denies the existence of purported SA Rs.” Spokespeople for the special counsel’s office and the Southern District of New York declined to comment. Michael Cohen and his lawyer did not respond to requests for comment.

Banks are legally mandated to file suspicious-activity reports with the government in order to call attention to activity that resembles money laundering, fraud, and other criminal conduct. These reports are routed to a permanent database maintained by fincen, which can be searched by tens of thousands of law-enforcement and other federal government personnel. The reports are a routine response to any financial activity that appears suspicious. They are not proof of criminal activity, and often do not result in criminal charges, though the information in them can be used in law-enforcement proceedings. “This is a permanent record. They should be there,” the official, who described an exhaustive search for the reports, said. “And there is nothing there.”

Cohen set up the First Republic account for Essential Consultants in October, 2016, shortly before the Presidential election, in order to pay the adult-film actress Stephanie Clifford, who performs under the name Stormy Daniels, a hundred and thirty thousand dollars in return for signing a nondisclosure agreement about her alleged affair with Donald Trump. First Republic’s compliance officers later began flagging Cohen’s transactions in the account as possible signs of money laundering. Among other potential violations, the documents cite “suspicion concerning the source of funds,” “suspicious EFT/ wire transfers,” “suspicious use of multiple accounts,” and “transaction with no apparent economic, business, or lawful purpose.” (A spokesperson for First Republic Bank declined to comment.)

By January of this year, First Republic had filed the three suspicious-activity reports about Cohen’s account. The most recent report—the only one made public so far—examined Cohen’s transactions from September of 2017 to January of 2018, and included activity totalling almost a million dollars. It alludes to the two previous reports that the official could not find in the fincen database. The first report that the official was unable to locate, which covered almost seven months, appears to have listed a little over a million dollars in activity. The second report that the official was unable to locate, which investigated a three-month period between June and September of 2017, found suspect transfers totalling more than two million dollars.

A substantial portion of this money seems to have ended up in Cohen’s personal accounts. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney filed a separate sar showing that, during that same three-month period, Cohen set up two accounts with the firm, into which he deposited three checks from his Essential Consultants account, two in the amount of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and one in the amount of five hundred and five thousand dollars. Morgan Stanley Smith Barney marked those transactions, which added up to more than a million dollars, as possible signs of “bribery or gratuity” and “suspicious use of third-party transactors (straw-man).”

Cohen appears to have misled First Republic repeatedly regarding the purpose of the Essential Consultants account. In paperwork filed with the bank, he said that the company would be devoted to using “his experience in real estate to consult on commercial and residential” deals. Cohen told the bank that his transactions would be modest, and based within the United States. In fact, the compliance officers wrote, “a significant portion of the target account deposits continue to originate from entities that have no apparent connection to real estate or apparent need to engage Cohen as a real estate consultant.” Likewise, “a significant portion of the deposits continues to be derived from foreign entities.” David Murray, a former Treasury official focussed on illicit finance, told me, “There are a ton of red flags here. The pattern of activity has indicators that are inherently suspicious, and the volume and source of funds do not match the account profile that was built when the account was opened.”

The report released last week highlights a payment from Cohen’s account to Demeter Direct, Inc. In publicly filed paperwork, Demeter Direct represents itself as a Korean food company. However, a Web site, since taken down, suggested that it was a global consulting firm. After the press began scrutinizing Cohen’s accounts, a man listed as Demeter Direct’s C.E.O., Mark Ko, told CNN that he served as an intermediary and translator in Cohen’s dealings with an aviation firm, majority-owned by South Korea’s government, called Korea Aerospace Industries. According to the First Republic report, the aerospace company paid Cohen a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in November of 2017, the same month President Trump visited South Korea. At the time, the company was lobbying for a controversial multibillion-dollar contract with the U.S. Air Force.

The report also shows how Cohen apparently used the Essential Consultants account for personal expenses. He seems to have used it to pay his American Express, A.T. & T., and Mercedes Benz bills, marking account numbers on the memo lines of his checks. He paid initiation fees and dues to the Core Club, a social club that the Times once described as a “portal to power.” He also cut himself multiple personal checks from Essential Consultants, amounting to more than a hundred thousand dollars, on top of the million he had already deposited into his Morgan Stanley accounts.

In many cases, the suspicious-activity reports highlight activity of potential interest to ongoing investigations, including that of the special counsel, Robert Mueller. Bank compliance officers noted eight payments from a company called Columbus Nova to Cohen’s account between January and August of 2017, totalling five hundred thousand dollars. The investigators wrote that Columbus Nova’s biggest client is a company controlled by Viktor Vekselberg, whom they described as “reputed to be a longtime ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.” The report also points out that Andrew Intrater, Vekselberg’s relative and the C.E.O. of Columbus Nova, donated more than three hundred thousand dollars to Trump-related causes. The report flagged the activity as suspicious “because the CEO’s company transferred substantial funds to the personal attorney of Trump at the same time the CEO reportedly donated substantial funds to Trump’s inauguration fund and joint fundraising committee for Trump’s reelection and the Republican National Committee.”

Other banks also noticed Cohen’s suspicious transactions and filed their own sars about his activity. Some of those show the banks piecing together the reasons for the transactions from news reports, citing articles from publications including the Wall Street Journal and Vanity Fair about Trump, Russia, and secret election-season payments, including the payment to Clifford. One, filed by City National Bank, follows money paid to Cohen by Elliott Broidy, at the time the deputy finance chairman for the Republican National Committee. The report notes, “Broidy also owns a private security company, Circinus, which provides services to the U.S. and other governments. The company has hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts with the U.A.E.” Broidy has said that Cohen and another lawyer, Keith Davidson, worked out a deal in which Broidy would pay $1.6 million to a former Playboy model he had impregnated. Broidy appears to have paid both lawyers for arranging the deal. The City National report shows that Broidy funnelled the payments through Real Estate Attorneys’ Group, a legal corporation. Broidy seems to have paid Davidson two hundred thousand dollars, and to have sent three payments, of $62,500 each, to Cohen—one to the Essential Consultants account and two to the account of Michael D. Cohen and Associates.

A representative for Broidy said that this description of the payments was “not correct,” and that “Mr. Broidy is not going to detail his payments for legal services to Mr. Cohen.” The representative added, “Mr. Broidy did not pay Mr. Davidson.” However, the City National report shows that on November 30, 2017, a wire of two hundred thousand dollars was received by the Real Estate Attorneys’ Group from Broidy. Then, on December 5, 2017, two hundred thousand dollars were transferred from Real Estate Attorneys’ Group to an account belonging to Keith M. Davidson and Associates.

Michael Avenatti, an attorney representing Clifford, who has released summaries of Cohen’s transactions on social media, said, “The Treasury Department should release all of the sars immediately to the American public.”

Suspicious-activity reports are kept strictly confidential, as a matter of law. “sars are secret, to protect the government and to protect financial institutions,” the former prosecutor told me. “I don’t think there’s a safe harbor for somebody who discloses it.” According to fincen, disclosing a sar is a federal offense, carrying penalties including fines of up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and imprisonment for up to five years. The official who released the suspicious-activity reports was aware of the risks, but said fears that the missing reports might be suppressed compelled the disclosure. “We’ve accepted this as normal, and this is not normal,” the official said. “Things that stand out as abnormal, like documents being removed from a system, are of grave concern to me.” Of the potential for legal consequences, the official said, “To say that I am terrified right now would be an understatement.” But, referring to the released report, as well as the potential contents of the missing reports, the official also added, “This is a terrifying time to be an American, to be in this situation, and to watch all of this unfold.”

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