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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#242576: May 16th 2018 at 1:22:28 PM

[up][up]Moon is in a precarious position. Having the safety of your country in the hands of a narcissistic megalomaniac is never easy, and pretty much the only thing that keeps Trump satisfied is fawning. I'm annoyed, but it's understandable. The rest of the world didn't ask for our moron-in-chief and have to make do. He could, however, find less meaningful ways to stroke Trump's ego.

[up]Moon said something along the lines of "Trump can have the Nobel, all I care about is peace." Which, in a Judgment of Solomon sort of way makes Moon way more deserving of it.

The American media took a more authoritative translation.

edited 16th May '18 1:24:33 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#242577: May 16th 2018 at 1:22:35 PM

Russian infiltrators subverting democracy was the bugaboo of the 50s.

Now no one cares.

You know, when it's ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

edited 16th May '18 1:22:48 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#242578: May 16th 2018 at 1:24:53 PM

Canadian sources are all but confirming that there will be no agreement in principle for NAFTA by tomorrow, which is Paul Ryan's deadline for the (current) US Congress to address it. In other words, talks are likely to pushed into 2019, after the Midterms and the Mexican Presidential election, and with a general election in Canada looming that fall.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/05/16/no-nafta-deal-will-be-reached-by-tomorrows-us-deadline-canadian-government-source-says.html

At this point, the easiest option would be for all sides to back off and accept the status quo/minor changes, and maybe talk about it once Trump is gone.

For their part, the Mexican government is openly doubting a deal will be ready this week.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mexico-nafta-deal-thursday-1.4663662

edited 16th May '18 1:26:32 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#242579: May 16th 2018 at 1:25:24 PM

[up][up]It happened in the 50s, too, just not where Congress was looking.

edited 16th May '18 1:25:40 PM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#242580: May 16th 2018 at 1:38:43 PM

[up] Arguably, even though it is weaker, Russia is more dangerous than it was during the Cold War.

Back then they had an specific ideology to pursue, and an interest in maintaining stability. Now that the Soviet Union has fallen, their only agenda is creating as much chaos and confusion as possible, because the only way to keep Russia relevant on a World Stage is through relative power, since they are objectively in decline.

edited 16th May '18 1:46:25 PM by megaeliz

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#242581: May 16th 2018 at 1:47:34 PM

The simultaneous posting/editing bug struck again. What did Silasw say?

edited 16th May '18 1:47:47 PM by Medinoc

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#242583: May 16th 2018 at 2:01:46 PM

I made the same point, confusingly I actully saw my post initially.

edited 16th May '18 2:02:39 PM by Silasw

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Imca (Veteran)
#242584: May 16th 2018 at 2:24:07 PM

Thats because the post only changes when you both have the same time stamp, and then the top person edits there post.

If you tried to edit yours, it will say you like to edit other peoples posts, and if they never edit theres, both posts will live happily together.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#242586: May 16th 2018 at 2:47:50 PM

Mentioned this in the main Net Neutrality thread, but interesting that there was a third defector in John Kennedy from Louisiana.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#242587: May 16th 2018 at 2:50:10 PM

[up][up]Eh that's a pretty light penalty, much softer then the Hounds of Tindalos tongue

[up]Yeah that's interesting, he used to be a Democrat until 2007 at which point he flipped to the Republicans. Must not have flipped for the neoliberalism then.

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#242588: May 16th 2018 at 2:51:30 PM

So I'm guessing Net Neutrality's dead for as long as Trump is in office and/or Congress is in GOP control, pretty much.

edited 16th May '18 2:51:43 PM by Raptorslash

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#242589: May 16th 2018 at 2:53:14 PM

Unless someone convinces Trump that repealing Net Neutrality will take away his ability to Tweet, yeah, pretty much

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#242590: May 16th 2018 at 2:53:29 PM

[up][up]Exactly right.

The only chance of it being recovered is if the Democrats take Congress.

edited 16th May '18 2:53:35 PM by Fourthspartan56

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#242592: May 16th 2018 at 3:59:03 PM

Twitter is in a particularly good position to try that. How do they feel about Net Neutrality?

edit: They like it. I think we've solved this. Good work everyone.

edited 16th May '18 4:00:29 PM by Clarste

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#242593: May 16th 2018 at 4:17:21 PM

Ok so. I'm not following the logic, here. Trump can more than afford the service to keep tweeting. Also, why would Twitter shut down any presidential account? That just sounds like the mother of all hornet's nests for them to kick.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#242594: May 16th 2018 at 4:28:10 PM

[up]

To prove a point - disable their service for a single day and say "This is a possible outcome of rolling back Net Neutrality. If your ISP decides that they don't want you to use our platform, they can lock you out of it."

And not US politics, per se, but a hell of a case in Canada, as a Transgender woman filed a Human Rights complaint against a Windsor, Ontario wax shop for refusing to give her a Brazilian wax. The details of the case have me siding more with the wax shop at this point, as it seems she may have overreacted to the point of a Frivolous Lawsuit, based on the information in the article. Emphasis added.

The owner of a local waxing spa is mounting a public campaign to clear the name of his business after he was served a human rights complaint for denying service to a transgender woman.

Jason Carruthers, the president of Mad Wax on Walker Road, said he was surprised at the legal move since he had explained to the complainant that the spa did not offer Brazilian wax services on male body parts.

“I have no male wax staff,” Carruthers said Friday. “We are not able to provide that service.”

A local transgender woman claims she was denied services based on her gender identity and gender expression and is seeking $50,000 for “immense harm to my dignity.”

The complainant, who has asked to remain anonymous, said she called the spa March 17, 2018, to inquire about services for a transgender woman.

Following a conversation with an employee, she asked to speak with the owner. Carruthers said he called her back and explained that the female employee working that day was a practicing Muslim who refrains from physical contact with males outside of her family.

He further explained the only staff member he had who did male waxing was off on a sick leave and there was no one else.

Carruthers said he decided to go public with the issue because of a derogatory video about his business that was posted online and threats from the complainant to create “a media circus.”

He said his business has no policy against serving transgender clients.

“I once again reiterate and state my position and the position of Mad Wax Windsor Inc. that all clients, regardless of sex, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, are welcome,” he said in a statement. “However, we also welcome and support all of our staff members and respect their religious beliefs and feelings of safety and dignity in regards to the right to perform waxing services on males or male genitals.”

He said it was clear from his conversation with the complainant that the services sought were for a Brazilian wax and not leg waxing as has been suggested since.

Carruthers said 98 per cent of the spa’s clientele is female and all of his staff are female. The spa has done waxing on the arms and backs of male clients in the past.

“When we’ve been asked about a male Brazilian wax in the past we tell them we’re not able to provide that service and they move on,” Carruthers said. ”It’s never been a issue.”

The complainant referred questions to her Toronto lawyer, Megan Evans Maxwell.

“There’s not much I can say right now because the matter is before the tribunal,” Maxwell said.

Carruthers’ lawyer, Ray Colautti, said the next step is for the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario to arrange a meeting between both parties with a mediator. If the issue can’t be resolved it would move on to an official tribunal hearing.

Hopefully this can be solved through mediation. But that said, I'm a cis male who doesn't wax at all, let alone go that full-on with it.

[down]

Yeah, that's the other aspect that's going to be tricky in regards to addressing.

edited 16th May '18 4:59:04 PM by ironballs16

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#242595: May 16th 2018 at 4:49:21 PM

Religious rights versus identity rights. Ooh boy.

Oissu!
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#242596: May 16th 2018 at 5:26:30 PM

I don't see that as frivolous, that employee should not have been working in a wax shop if they're going to exclude 50% of the population over a harmless biological characteristic like sex. I see no difference between refusing to do their job based on sex and refusing to do their job based on race.

I wouldn't have sympathy for a racist so I don't see why they deserve sympathy.

edited 16th May '18 5:27:16 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#242597: May 16th 2018 at 5:31:06 PM

It sounds less like men are excluded entirely, and more like there are specific (maybe 1 specific) thing they don't do for men, or only have one person do? Which I'm not really sure is better, especially in this situation, but there it is.

edited 16th May '18 5:34:59 PM by LSBK

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#242598: May 16th 2018 at 5:33:48 PM

NVM

edited 16th May '18 5:34:07 PM by Fourthspartan56

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#242599: May 16th 2018 at 5:37:08 PM

There's also asking for a service that isn't provided.

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#242600: May 16th 2018 at 5:39:22 PM

It seems they refuse to wax the area around a penis (though apparently they had one person for that who was absent that day), and the woman got upset because of a combination of their refusal and their insistence that a penis is "male parts".


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