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Imca (Veteran)
#242526: May 15th 2018 at 11:49:03 PM

[up] Because Amercia runs on institutionalized racism, and even beyond that they are quite rare in the first place.

Even with 100% proportional representation, odds are they still wouldn't have gotten a president yet, and there would be 8 of them across all 535 voting members of congress.

edited 15th May '18 11:49:59 PM by Imca

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#242527: May 16th 2018 at 12:29:41 AM

There's the small matter of the fact that Native Americans are members of different nations. It's one of the things which pisses me off about the whole oil pipeline that it disrespects the fact they should be considered their own countries.

They have their own governments.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#242528: May 16th 2018 at 6:08:07 AM

Even having your own government doesn't and shouldn't guarantee being a sovereign state. Things are never that simple.

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#242529: May 16th 2018 at 6:11:02 AM

So we're being monitored by alt-right groups? Figures. Still, I don't see any point in trying to look nice for them; they're on the list of folks who have no hope of being persuaded.

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#242530: May 16th 2018 at 6:14:06 AM

Alt Right groups consider reading this thread opposition research?

No wonder they're losing elections.

edited 16th May '18 6:14:23 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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Warder of the damned
#242531: May 16th 2018 at 6:53:19 AM

Pfff, supporting ideas and ideologies prone to losing is their favorite pas time.

Lost the Civil War, lost WWII, nearly every fascist or dictatorship failed and lost, helped putting a loser in the White House and are now losing the legislative and governorship and are even losing their protesting safe spaces because in reality they are too spineless to do anything unless they have protection from the state they want to dismantle.

Daily reminder the alt-right is filled with guys like this:

edited 16th May '18 6:56:22 AM by AngelusNox

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#242532: May 16th 2018 at 7:17:14 AM

@Tobias: "I have personally seen my own posts from this very thread reposted on other sites as opposition research."

Dude, I am so jealous...

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#242533: May 16th 2018 at 7:28:20 AM

My mind remains boggled that anyone outside of this forum would actually care what happens within it.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#242534: May 16th 2018 at 7:43:15 AM

There are bot programs out there trawling the web looking for certain key words and phrases that indicate particular political profiles. When the bot finds one, the site is tagged for future spamming. TVT is probably too small to be worth it, but you never know. We have a certain reputation in one corner of the web. I wouldnt become too surprised if someone out there eventually tries to make an issue out of us.

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#242535: May 16th 2018 at 7:47:29 AM

We have a pretty good record of identifying and banning most malicious activity of that sort, which should discourage anyone trying to mess with the site.

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#242536: May 16th 2018 at 7:59:12 AM

In other news, it looks as though the much-vaunted summit between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-Un may not happen, at least if Trump keeps pushing the issue of unilateral disarmament for North Korea. So where does this leave us? Are we back at square one? If the summit gets cancelled, does that mean a war is inevitable?

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Lost in Space
#242537: May 16th 2018 at 8:01:39 AM

There is already a war. It never stopped. If you mean: will we start shooting at each other, then the answer is, "Who knows?" The North Koreans almost certainly won't shoot first, so it's up to whether Trump, Bolton, and Hannity retain enough sanity.

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#242538: May 16th 2018 at 8:06:10 AM

Pretty sure Trump and Bolton never HAD sanity to begin with. Hannity gets slightly more credit.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#242539: May 16th 2018 at 8:06:12 AM

Eh, they're probably feeling just fine leaving the status quo as it is while they go invade Iran instead.

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#242540: May 16th 2018 at 8:18:35 AM

There's the small matter of the fact that Native Americans are members of different nations. It's one of the things which pisses me off about the whole oil pipeline that it disrespects the fact they should be considered their own countries.

They have their own governments.

Except no they aren't, they have autonomy in our Federal system the same way that the states do. I.e they have rights and their own local government but are still solidly subordinate to the Federal government as a component of the United States. So they are not and should not be their own countries.

edited 16th May '18 8:18:57 AM by Fourthspartan56

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#242541: May 16th 2018 at 8:19:25 AM

Why does North Korea keep doing this? Is it really better to be in a state of constant struggle due to international sanctions and with the USA, South Korea against them? They gave the excuse that Bolton would be to blame, but the truth is they just aren't willing to give up their nukes yet.

edited 16th May '18 8:21:43 AM by Grafite

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Lost in Space
#242542: May 16th 2018 at 8:24:01 AM

This is a tad off-topic, but North Korea maintains the absolute power of its government by keeping its populace in a constant state of existential terror. To do this, it requires an external enemy, and that is the United States. We are always about to storm their noble country and murder everyone, so the starvation and the brainwashing and the absolute military control of everything are necessary measures to keep everyone safe.

They have a long-term plan which involves achieving nuclear delivery capability to the U.S., at which point they will present themselves as peers to negotiate a more favorable resolution to this eternal war. Basically, once they can nuke us, we have to negotiate as equals.

edited 16th May '18 8:25:17 AM by Fighteer

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ElSquibbonator Since: Oct, 2014
#242543: May 16th 2018 at 8:25:53 AM

If that's the case, why do they not want to negotiate anymore?

edited 16th May '18 8:26:28 AM by ElSquibbonator

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#242544: May 16th 2018 at 8:28:30 AM

Because they don't have it yet (their missiles can't reach us reliably) or they lost what they had when their last nuclear testing site collapsed.

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#242545: May 16th 2018 at 8:32:00 AM

Another thing to keep in mind is that our withdrawal from the Iran deal clearly shows that we aren't negotiating in good faith and nothing we say can be trusted, thus it's perfectly rational from the NK's perspective to move away from an agreement.

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#242546: May 16th 2018 at 8:34:01 AM

North Korea is a pseudo-fascist state. Fascist states want unity brought about by externalizing hatred. This hatred is their claim to authority. This means that enemies are extremely valuable to the fascist, more so than friends. If peace ever broke out, it would greatly threaten North Korea's stability.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#242547: May 16th 2018 at 8:40:43 AM

North Korea is a Stalinist state with trappings of monarchy. More or less everything else you said applies, but let's not go down the road of confusing Fascism with Communism. Opposite ends of the political spectrum, and all that jazz.

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#242548: May 16th 2018 at 8:46:03 AM

So yeah. About the "Trump Peace Prize" thing... my major consolation is that the Swedish Academy, the ones who award the Nobel Prizes, is currently mired in a sex abuse scandal. There's no way they'd award the Peace Prize to the pussy-grabber under these conditions.

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#242549: May 16th 2018 at 8:46:38 AM

[up][up]Eh, I don't think it's necessarily wrong to call North Korea psuedo-fascist. As a rule Stalinism doesn't support defacto hereditary government and considering that they dropped references to Communism in favor of Juche I think just calling them a fascist state wouldn't be out of order.

edited 16th May '18 8:47:10 AM by Fourthspartan56

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#242550: May 16th 2018 at 8:48:33 AM

At a certain point, hereditary dictatorships are hereditary dictatorships regardless of what ideology they dress up the apparatus of state in.

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