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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm stealing that.
Excuse me? The Young Turks didn't succeed the Ottomans. They were Ottoman. The triumvirate of Enver, Talaat, and Cemal took power in 1913 and held it until the empire collapsed at the end of World War I. That's the regime that the term is indelibly associated with.
Mustafa Kemal is the one who took power after World War I and the fall of the Ottomans, and while he was a former member of the CUP he was never a member of the ruling Young Turk coalition—Enver disliked him too much for that, which is why he's stuck in a divisional command when WWI breaks out.
Crediting the Young Turks with modernizing Turkey is like crediting the Nazis for getting us to the moon. The fact that former member or members were involved doesn't mean the organization as a whole gets any credit for it.
"It left me" is actually from Zell Miller
, Senator of Georgia in 2000-2005 and very conservative despite being a Democrat.
My favorite tweet from today has to be this one:
13 angry Democrats!
edited 7th May '18 7:47:25 AM by megaeliz
Ugh, as if the Democrats needed this sort of controversy.
Levi Tilleman, a Democratic candidate in Colorado hoping to unseat Republican Mike Coffman, recorded a conversation in which Minority Whip Steven Hoyer told him to drop out of the Primary in favor of Jason Crow
.
Hoyer bluntly told Tillemann that it wasn’t his imagination, and that mobilizing support for one Democratic candidate over another in a primary isn’t unusual. Rep. Ben Ray Luján, D-N.M., chair of the DCCC, has a “policy that early on, we’d try to agree on a candidate who we thought could win the general and give the candidate all the help we could give them,” Hoyer told Tillemann matter-of-factly.
“Yeah, I’m for Crow,” Hoyer explained. “I am for Crow because a judgment was made very early on. I didn’t know Crow. I didn’t participate in the decision. But a decision was made early on by the Colorado delegation,” he said, referencing the three House Democrats elected from Colorado.
“So your position is, a decision was made very early on before voters had a say, and that’s fine because the DCCC knows better than the voters of the 6th Congressional District, and we should line up behind that candidate,” asked Tillemann during the conversation.
“That’s certainly a consequence of our decision,” responded Hoyer.
“Staying out of primaries sounds small-D democratic, very intellectual, and very interesting,” said Hoyer. “But if you stay out of primaries, and somebody wins in the primary who can’t possibly win in the general,” the Maryland representative said, citing the surprise victory of Democrat Doug Jones over Republican Roy Moore in the Alabama Senate election, “I’m not saying you’re that person.” But staying out of primaries, he argued, is “not very smart strategy.”
Shit like this, especially after the contentious Presidential Primary, doesn't help the optics for the Democrats, and I've seen it myself in regards to my own district. Dana Balter managed to secure the nomination from all 4 County chairs, but the DCCC has proclaimed support for Juanita Perez, despite her entering the race very late in the process and having a surprising number of signatures deemed invalid, though enough to qualify for the Primary ballot
.
And for what it's worth, I've actually met with reps from Balter's campaign - not one from Perez' has visited my County, to my knowledge, and ours tends to be the "make or break" area of the District, though Syracuse gets the most attention for obvious reasons.
edited 7th May '18 8:00:30 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Politicians play politics. News at 11.
Seriously, this sort of thing is not a scandal. The Democratic Party is not a neutral third party with no interest in the primary results. They want to win the general election, and they're going to make decisions based on that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, and acting like there is is just shitstirring.
edited 7th May '18 8:09:24 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
I realize that - but that's why I said the optics of it are particularly bad, as people are still up-in-arms over the "establishment" doing so; so the DCCC might actually be shooting its candidate(s) in the foot by pulling this sort of stunt. That said, I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me - I didn't like Balter going on about being the "true Progressive" after that news broke, but nor do I like the idea of the parties playing Kingmaker even if it's how it's always been done. Appeal to Tradition holds as much water for me as Because I Said So.
edited 7th May '18 8:16:56 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"I never said that it was okay because that's always how it's been done. I said it's okay because the Democratic Party has a vested interest in its own primary. The idea that the Party aparatas should stand aside as a purely neutral position without favoring one candidate over another is an unwarranted assumption. Why the hell shouldn't the Party have an opinion for who they want running under their ticket?
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.This is certainly harmless and bad optics, but outside of its effect on the local race (whatever that may be) I think I'm going to withhold judgement on its importance until I see a larger impact. Because this is exactly the sort of thing that I can imagine having little effect on the national stage.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangThe NYT headed off to the NRA convention in Dallas, and interviewed some of the attendees.
edited 7th May '18 9:39:39 AM by TheWildWestPyro
Oliver North to be NRA's new president
"Oliver North is, hands down, the absolute best choice to lead our NRA Board, to fully engage with our members, and to unflinchingly stand and fight for the great freedoms he has defended his entire life," NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne La Pierre said in a statement on the pick. In his statement, La Pierre compared North favorably to Charlton Heston, the Hollywood icon who was once president of the group. North will become president "within a few weeks," the group said. He will retire from his position at Fox News.
There's something so...deeply ironic about this I can't even...
edited 7th May '18 10:57:17 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Probably due to his military service
and his willingness to kind of commit treason.
edited 7th May '18 10:59:53 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleRepeating this over and over again doesn’t make it any less wrong. You can’t generalize the entire political right based simply on the American far right.
x5 What those people don’t really understand is that the reason gun rights are being scrutinized so much is the NRA itself. The NRA has taken a zero tolerance, scorched earth approach to gun legislation and its coming back to bite them.
edited 7th May '18 11:01:15 AM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.It it were Bernie Sanders would have a lot fewer problems about being "tone deaf".
What The Fuck Just Happened Today, Day 473: Fighting back.
I'm on the tail end if my lunch break so I can't do my usual full dump this time.
edited 7th May '18 11:08:45 AM by sgamer82
Why? North has nothing to his name beyond being the Iran-Contra fall guy.
North is actually a fairly famous figure for multiple things aside from the Iran Contra fall guy.
Basically, he's a VOLUNTARY fall guy and did so for Reagan so he's become a Martyr of the Far Right who took the fall to protect his president.
He's also the guy responsible for a huge number of murderous black ops.
Oliver is also a known Confederate apologist and famously wrapped himself in the stars and bars.
edited 7th May '18 11:09:29 AM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.@archonspeaks: Agree and also, the whole thing is just turning into argumentum ad nauseam. To add a counter-example, my cousin has always been sort of a Granola Girl, yet supports the right-wing party of my country (the typical pro-austerity european kind).
edited 7th May '18 2:38:53 PM by Grafite
Life is unfair...

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