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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#241301: May 6th 2018 at 10:22:18 AM

Really good interview with Former Director of the CIA and NSA Michael Hayden on the Daily Show,

It's about Trump's attack on the Truth, and fact based enterprises, Journalism, Intelligence, Scholarship, Science.

edited 6th May '18 10:29:23 AM by megaeliz

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241302: May 6th 2018 at 10:39:01 AM

[up][up] It’s important to distinguish between big C Conservative and little c conservative. Depending on the country you’re in they can be two very different things.

They should have sent a poet.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#241303: May 6th 2018 at 10:40:52 AM

> I miss when Left Wing assholes were a actual danger. I actually love fighting against other Left wingers more than with Right Wingers.

When was that?I have feeling it's always been the right ringers more then the left wingers

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#241304: May 6th 2018 at 10:44:58 AM

[up] In USA? Probably nothing besides fear of the URSS and token terrorist groups backed for Leftist dictatorships.

In my country? A Evil Versus Evil situation of Leftist terrorists vs Right Wing dictatorship.

[up][up] Big C conservatism isn't just unambiguously bad? With Little C conservativism being basically doing the same as Leftist do unless it involves actual violence

edited 6th May '18 10:46:08 AM by KazuyaProta

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#241305: May 6th 2018 at 10:55:13 AM

I meant in the US and everywhere elsewhere really

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241306: May 6th 2018 at 11:02:56 AM

[up][up]You're sort misrepresenting the definitions of all of those words to make some point about how conservatives are awful.

Big C Conservative means someone who's a member of a Conservative party, or sometimes a Republican in the US. Little c conservative is a social philosophy, which there are numerous variations of and doesn't imply a specific stance on a political issue.

The little c conservative philosophy favors stable institutions and gradual change, as opposed to progressive, which favors broad reform. Both of those come in many different flavors, like conservative liberalism, which is popular in a lot of places with big C Conservative parties.

edited 6th May '18 11:05:54 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#241307: May 6th 2018 at 11:14:44 AM

[up] Conservative parties have being good anytime?

[up][up] ...Eh? Are you telling me that Evil Leftist don't exist? The URSS existed, for example.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#241308: May 6th 2018 at 11:20:10 AM

Do you mean USSR, as in Soviet Russia?

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#241309: May 6th 2018 at 11:24:27 AM

[up] Yeah, under Stalin. Lenin was pretty bad too in his own way.

Plus, Mao, Pol Pot...it's a long list

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241310: May 6th 2018 at 11:25:23 AM

[up][up][up] You're still confusing Conservative and conservative, and even then I'm not quite sure what you mean.

The Conservative party in the UK would be slightly right of center in the US. They support LGBT rights, national healthcare and renewable energy. For some of those issues, you can actually vote Conservative without being conservative.

Big C Conservative refers to specific political parties. Little c conservative refers to a philosophy of preferring stability over change.

edited 6th May '18 11:25:37 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
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A procrastination in of itself
#241311: May 6th 2018 at 11:28:55 AM

Note that the U.K. Conservative party only supports LGBT rights at the top (its actual M Ps voted for against gay marriage than for it) and the support of universal healthcare is about as true as Republican support for Medicare, they keep trying to starve the beast and private it, they just can’t admit so publicly due to the electoral impact that would have.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241312: May 6th 2018 at 11:34:58 AM

[up] It still puts them just barely right of center as far as US politics, which is the point I was trying to highlight.

As far as gay marriage, didn't the Conservatives go about even on it? There was a pretty stark contrast in their split compared to Labour.

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241313: May 6th 2018 at 11:39:41 AM

As someone said it best:

"The Democrats are European conservatives, the Republicans are Far Right Nutjobs everyone assumes is a joke by the Americans—except no one is laughing."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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Shin Megami Tensei IV
#241314: May 6th 2018 at 11:43:35 AM

[up] And that isn't just a way of saying that USA is bad and that Conservatives are bad?

[down] I'm actually really interested on that. Conservatives actually can not being bigots? Tell me more.

I like "Conservative" more than "Liberal" or "Leftist" as a word

[down] I mean, given that the USA is infamously more regressive and intolerant, that just come as saying that the USA is bad because they're more Right Wing

edited 6th May '18 11:47:29 AM by KazuyaProta

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#241315: May 6th 2018 at 11:43:45 AM

And the head of the Scottish conservative party is a lesbian, just to make things even more confusing.

[up] No, it just says that the US political norms are pretty skewed compared to the rest of the world. Or rather, they've barely changed over the past century.

edited 6th May '18 11:44:17 AM by RainehDaze

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#241316: May 6th 2018 at 11:50:12 AM

Does anyone else feel unclean realizing they actually agreed with North Korea on something?
I feel worse knowing I've agreed with Trump once or twice, but I remind myself of Stopped Clock Syndrome, and move on with my life.
But most of them aren't blatant Neo-Nazis. That this guy is the most popular Republican candidate in California doesn't say good things about the people in California
Everyone else has Nazis, why can't we? tongue
that isn't just a way of saying that USA is bad and that Conservatives are bad?
Well ... it certainly is now. Before now, no one had to use double-talk to insult America.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241317: May 6th 2018 at 11:50:35 AM

Shorter version:

The Right in the USA is much much further right.

I also am very bitter because I used to be a Republican and am furious with the fact the party has become what it is.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241318: May 6th 2018 at 11:52:17 AM

[up]x4 The Conservative party in the UK is considered center-right. In US politics they'd be considered centrists or conservative Democrats.

The US is slightly to the right of the UK, but we're not exactly a right wing paradise.

edited 6th May '18 11:53:15 AM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#241319: May 6th 2018 at 11:52:41 AM

[up][up] A good example of this would be Richard Painter, a lifelong Republican and Chief Ethics Lawyer under Bush, supporting single payer Healthcare because the evidence shows that it is more efficient and has a lower overhead cost than private insurance. (See Medicare.) (Granted he is running for Senate as a Democrat, but that's because the Republican Party has collectively lost their minds.)

As hard as it can be to believe in the current political climate, being conservative doesn't necessarily mean having a complete inability to evaluate evidence and make informed, rational decisions to create sound policy and hating all change (even if it might be positive) on principal.

edited 6th May '18 12:05:10 PM by megaeliz

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#241320: May 6th 2018 at 11:55:26 AM

I usually don't define conservatism as resisting social change. I consider myself pretty conservative though I've never felt change was bad-actually, I've felt change is extremely necessary.

Usually, I define conservatism along the lines of "the belief in the use of government power to enforce a specific set of 'morals' upon the populace". What these morals are differs from one type of conservatism to another. One conservative might want to ban interracial marriage from being portrayed on TV. One conservative might want to ban saying racial slurs on TV. Either way, they'e both wanting to enforce their morality via the state and are both equally conservative. They serve their masters in the same way, they just serve different masters.

Leviticus 19:34
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Call me Stick
#241321: May 6th 2018 at 11:58:21 AM

... so I printed out a sample ballot so I can prepare who I'm going to vote for ahead of time, because there is no way I'm going to remember people's positions when put on the spot.

Yes, I have absolutely no faith in my memory. Or I used it up in college, take your pick. Carry on, nothing to see here.

Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#241322: May 6th 2018 at 11:59:14 AM

[up][up][up] I can totally identify as that. I work with the things that work

[up][up] Conservative as "Like goverment" sounds nice but...Conservativism in USA is actually against goverment and in favor of "personal responsibility".

edited 6th May '18 12:09:34 PM by KazuyaProta

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241323: May 6th 2018 at 12:03:05 PM

[up][up][up] That's more a question of the extent of the law, or state sponsored morality, since both progressives and conservatives can use the government to try and enforce their values.

In its simplest form, conservatives favor tradition and progressives favor change.

edited 6th May '18 12:03:57 PM by archonspeaks

They should have sent a poet.
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#241324: May 6th 2018 at 12:05:14 PM

so I printed out a sample ballot so I can prepare who I'm going to vote for ahead of time, because there is no way I'm going to remember people's positions when put on the spot.
That's actually really smart. Otherwise you'll get into a booth and forget who's running as a Republican in non-partisan elections.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#241325: May 6th 2018 at 12:26:41 PM

Hell its part of the logic behind opposing non-partisan elections, because a lot of voters need the party symbol to act as a memory guide/cheat sheet and by removing it you either incentivise people to not vote or to vote based on silly things (like just recognising a name without context or even just voting for the first name on the ballot).

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