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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
In USA? Probably nothing besides fear of the URSS and token terrorist groups backed for Leftist dictatorships.
In my country? A Evil Versus Evil situation of Leftist terrorists vs Right Wing dictatorship.
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Big C conservatism isn't just unambiguously bad? With Little C conservativism being basically doing the same as Leftist do unless it involves actual violence
edited 6th May '18 10:46:08 AM by KazuyaProta
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You're sort misrepresenting the definitions of all of those words to make some point about how conservatives are awful.
Big C Conservative means someone who's a member of a Conservative party, or sometimes a Republican in the US. Little c conservative is a social philosophy, which there are numerous variations of and doesn't imply a specific stance on a political issue.
The little c conservative philosophy favors stable institutions and gradual change, as opposed to progressive, which favors broad reform. Both of those come in many different flavors, like conservative liberalism, which is popular in a lot of places with big C Conservative parties.
edited 6th May '18 11:05:54 AM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.
Conservative parties have being good anytime?
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...Eh? Are you telling me that Evil Leftist don't exist? The URSS existed, for example.
Yeah, under Stalin. Lenin was pretty bad too in his own way.
Plus, Mao, Pol Pot...it's a long list
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You're still confusing Conservative and conservative, and even then I'm not quite sure what you mean.
The Conservative party in the UK would be slightly right of center in the US. They support LGBT rights, national healthcare and renewable energy. For some of those issues, you can actually vote Conservative without being conservative.
Big C Conservative refers to specific political parties. Little c conservative refers to a philosophy of preferring stability over change.
edited 6th May '18 11:25:37 AM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.Note that the U.K. Conservative party only supports LGBT rights at the top (its actual M Ps voted for against gay marriage than for it) and the support of universal healthcare is about as true as Republican support for Medicare, they keep trying to starve the beast and private it, they just can’t admit so publicly due to the electoral impact that would have.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
And that isn't just a way of saying that USA is bad and that Conservatives are bad?
I'm actually really interested on that. Conservatives actually can not being bigots? Tell me more.
I like "Conservative" more than "Liberal" or "Leftist" as a word
I mean, given that the USA is infamously more regressive and intolerant, that just come as saying that the USA is bad because they're more Right Wing
edited 6th May '18 11:47:29 AM by KazuyaProta
Watch me destroying my countryAnd the head of the Scottish conservative party is a lesbian, just to make things even more confusing.
No, it just says that the US political norms are pretty skewed compared to the rest of the world. Or rather, they've barely changed over the past century.
edited 6th May '18 11:44:17 AM by RainehDaze
x4 The Conservative party in the UK is considered center-right. In US politics they'd be considered centrists or conservative Democrats.
The US is slightly to the right of the UK, but we're not exactly a right wing paradise.
edited 6th May '18 11:53:15 AM by archonspeaks
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A good example of this would be Richard Painter, a lifelong Republican and Chief Ethics Lawyer under Bush, supporting single payer Healthcare because the evidence shows that it is more efficient and has a lower overhead cost than private insurance. (See Medicare.) (Granted he is running for Senate as a Democrat, but that's because the Republican Party has collectively lost their minds.)
As hard as it can be to believe in the current political climate, being conservative doesn't necessarily mean having a complete inability to evaluate evidence and make informed, rational decisions to create sound policy and hating all change (even if it might be positive) on principal.
edited 6th May '18 12:05:10 PM by megaeliz
I usually don't define conservatism as resisting social change. I consider myself pretty conservative though I've never felt change was bad-actually, I've felt change is extremely necessary.
Usually, I define conservatism along the lines of "the belief in the use of government power to enforce a specific set of 'morals' upon the populace". What these morals are differs from one type of conservatism to another. One conservative might want to ban interracial marriage from being portrayed on TV. One conservative might want to ban saying racial slurs on TV. Either way, they'e both wanting to enforce their morality via the state and are both equally conservative. They serve their masters in the same way, they just serve different masters.
Leviticus 19:34... so I printed out a sample ballot so I can prepare who I'm going to vote for ahead of time, because there is no way I'm going to remember people's positions when put on the spot.
Yes, I have absolutely no faith in my memory. Or I used it up in college, take your pick. Carry on, nothing to see here.
Hopefully I'll feel confident to change my avatar off this scumbag soon. Apologies to any scumbags I insulted.![]()
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I can totally identify as that. I work with the things that work
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Conservative as "Like goverment" sounds nice but...Conservativism in USA is actually against goverment and in favor of "personal responsibility".
edited 6th May '18 12:09:34 PM by KazuyaProta
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That's more a question of the extent of the law, or state sponsored morality, since both progressives and conservatives can use the government to try and enforce their values.
In its simplest form, conservatives favor tradition and progressives favor change.
edited 6th May '18 12:03:57 PM by archonspeaks
They should have sent a poet.Hell its part of the logic behind opposing non-partisan elections, because a lot of voters need the party symbol to act as a memory guide/cheat sheet and by removing it you either incentivise people to not vote or to vote based on silly things (like just recognising a name without context or even just voting for the first name on the ballot).
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Really good interview with Former Director of the CIA and NSA Michael Hayden on the Daily Show,
It's about Trump's attack on the Truth, and fact based enterprises, Journalism, Intelligence, Scholarship, Science.
edited 6th May '18 10:29:23 AM by megaeliz