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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#241101: May 4th 2018 at 1:23:24 PM

Regarding "Trump inspired all these characters" thing:

The Biff one, at least, is pretty much bunk. I'd venture some of them are stretches as well.

Schrek and Kingpin in particular sound suuuuuuuuuuuuper dodgy.

edited 4th May '18 1:30:58 PM by Larkmarn

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#241102: May 4th 2018 at 1:23:49 PM

[up][up]Nah, they'll blame the poor migrants who are still willing to take the jobs despite lowered pay due to competing with machines.

edited 4th May '18 1:25:29 PM by M84

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#241103: May 4th 2018 at 1:26:52 PM

[up]Despite the fact that the reason the hiring pool for that sector is shrinking is because we're kicking out or scaring off all the immigrants. The right just love to shoot themselves in the foot, then blame someone else for the gaping, bleeding wound.

edited 4th May '18 1:27:07 PM by danime91

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#241104: May 4th 2018 at 1:29:23 PM

The funny thing is that a lot of the jobs these people whine about losing aren't actually jobs any of them wanted to take in the first place. That's sort of why migrants were able to get those jobs — nobody else was taking them.

The UK's facing a similar issue with the impending loss of a ton of EU migrant workers due to Brexit.

edited 4th May '18 1:30:34 PM by M84

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#241105: May 4th 2018 at 1:32:38 PM

If not for racism, illegal immigrants are undeniably a net boon for Americans.

They commit less crime than the national average, they pay taxes, they don't benefit from entitlements, they lowers costs of everything by providing cheap labor, they do the jobs others don't want.

Seriously. They're a capitalist's dream.

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#241106: May 4th 2018 at 1:34:56 PM

Question, given Amercias' rather stupid levels of pushback to any thing that could posibly be construed as socalisim... like basic income or wellfare packages.

Yet the fact the country seems to be facing massive issues with jobs, and unemployable people....

Has there ever been any serious attempt at some kind of goverment gaurenteed job program?

edited 4th May '18 1:35:22 PM by Imca

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241107: May 4th 2018 at 1:36:34 PM

Yes, it was called the New Deal and it has traumatized the rich ever since.

They cry and scream and hiss about it to this day.

edited 4th May '18 1:37:05 PM by CharlesPhipps

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#241108: May 4th 2018 at 1:38:47 PM

And the New Deal was also pretty dang racist. There's a reason it's sometimes derided as "whites-only" socialism.

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#241109: May 4th 2018 at 1:40:15 PM

Yep.

And yet it still pissed off the rich to the point of treason.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#241110: May 4th 2018 at 1:40:57 PM

I’d venture a guess and say most Americans don’t actually know what socialism would involve at this point, just that it’s bad and something something commies.

They should have sent a poet.
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#241111: May 4th 2018 at 1:42:42 PM

A lot of the ones whining about socialism and welfare queens probably depend on a gov't program that is technically welfare to survive. They just aren't aware of it because no welfare program in the USA is actually called welfare by name.

It's kind of like how people who voted hoping to get rid of Obamacare didn't realize it was actually the ACA which they relied on for health insurance.

edited 4th May '18 1:43:26 PM by M84

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#241112: May 4th 2018 at 1:42:46 PM

Would you say that the programs introduced by the New Deal were at least Fair for Its Day, or do you think they were racist even by the standards of the 1930s?

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#241113: May 4th 2018 at 1:44:11 PM

[up][up][up] I think your right given that a lot of them respond well to all the parts of socalisim individualy, until you call it that...

Much like obamacare.

Any way, could some one explain the new deal to me? It gets mentioned a lot, but the Wikipedia article just ended in confusion.

edited 4th May '18 1:45:07 PM by Imca

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#241114: May 4th 2018 at 1:44:14 PM

Does anyone think the blue wave will still go through now the the north korean peace takes are happening?

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#241115: May 4th 2018 at 1:44:20 PM

Part of the reason it was racist was that it kind of had to be in order to appease the racist politicians who would have blocked it if it was truly fair across the board.

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#241116: May 4th 2018 at 1:44:26 PM

They were Fair for Its Day, but their modern day hagiography isn't.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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#241117: May 4th 2018 at 1:44:27 PM

If by Fair for Its Day you mean they didn't treat black people even shittier than before, I guess? The New Deal still kind of fucked them over for generations.

edited 4th May '18 1:44:45 PM by M84

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241118: May 4th 2018 at 1:45:18 PM

Or that many of the things they take for granted are socialist.

Its why the Republicans fought Obamacare like it was smallpox.

They knew, and they were right, that poor people's hatred of Obama would develop a big blind spot to the fact their kids don't have to die due to insufficient medical care once they started getting checks.

Not that it kept them from voting for Trump

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#241119: May 4th 2018 at 1:46:25 PM

Or that again, a lot of people didn't realize that Obamacare and the ACA (and all of the individual programs under it) are the same damn thing. Obamacare is a friggin' nickname its critics branded it with.

edited 4th May '18 1:47:25 PM by M84

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241120: May 4th 2018 at 1:47:47 PM

My opinion of the New Deal was that it helped a massive number of desperately in need white people and was awesome. Because white poor people are still poor people in desperate need of relief.

And we can damn well hate the fact it didn't do that much for black people.

Let alone address anything with segregation.

Even this very biased source is trying hard to come up with good things to say about its handling of African American issues.

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/african-americans-and-new-deal-look-back-history/

edited 4th May '18 1:49:21 PM by CharlesPhipps

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#241122: May 4th 2018 at 1:51:31 PM

Yeah, it did. No argument there.

It's rough, though. I spent most of middle school idolizing FDR and seeing him as one of history's greatest heroes... and then I learned about shit like the Japanese internment camps, the denial of thousands of Jewish refugees, and now the racist legacy of the New Deal.

Broken Pedestal, yo.

edited 4th May '18 1:52:26 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#241123: May 4th 2018 at 1:56:37 PM

Malcolm Reynolds said it best about everyone who had a statue made of them.

On the other hand, the New Deal's effect on Appalachia can't be understated either. It changed the way of life down here.

And I can't ignore that either.

Which I suppose makes me Stannis.

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#241124: May 4th 2018 at 1:57:59 PM

[up] Well, yeah. It's rather easy to appreciate a deal that benefits you and yours.

[up][up]And on a more personal level, don't forget that FDR also cheated on his wife.

edited 4th May '18 1:59:49 PM by M84

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Imca (Veteran)
#241125: May 4th 2018 at 2:03:25 PM

How did the new deal, like... work?

What did it do, the wiki article is confusing.


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