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FyodorDose Since: Mar, 2018
#240551: May 1st 2018 at 7:31:47 AM

Writer thinks that women and couples that try to have abortions "should be punished." "Despite previous comments, he doesn't think they should be hanged, but punished in some other way." I believe he was fired from Atlantic magazine based on his views and what they caused online. I've been anti-abortion for a long time, and I really don't agree with this guy. What do you guys think?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/think-abortion-should-be-punished-take-a-look-around/2018/04/30/6c37ddbc-4c95-11e8-af46-b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?utm_term=.c82f3dc4999a

edited 1st May '18 7:35:22 AM by FyodorDose

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#240552: May 1st 2018 at 7:34:18 AM

[up] If you get thumped for posting something, it's generally not a good idea to try to post it again.

No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#240553: May 1st 2018 at 7:47:50 AM

[up] If you get thumped for posting something, it's generally not a good idea to try to post it again.

Especially when the subject of your post is a generally off limits topic to begin with

edited 1st May '18 8:41:29 AM by sgamer82

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240554: May 1st 2018 at 7:58:32 AM

Trump going bonkers on twitter

The Fake News is going crazy making up false stories and using only unnamed sources (who don’t exist). They are totally unhinged, and the great success of this Administration is making them do and say things that even they can’t believe they are saying. Truly bad people!

The White House is running very smoothly despite phony Witch Hunts etc. There is great Energy and unending Stamina, both necessary to get things done. We are accomplishing the unthinkable and setting positive records while doing so! Fake News is going “bonkers!”

So disgraceful that the questions concerning the Russian Witch Hunt were “leaked” to the media. No questions on Collusion. Oh, I see...you have a made up, phony crime, Collusion, that never existed, and an investigation begun with illegally leaked classified information. Nice!

It would seem very hard to obstruct justice for a crime that never happened! Witch Hunt!

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#240555: May 1st 2018 at 8:00:35 AM

Someone should tell him Fox and Friends and Breitbart also don't name sources, or at least cite sources that in turn don't cite theirs.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#240556: May 1st 2018 at 8:00:49 AM

[up][up] What the hell is up with Trump's capitalization of random words? Energy, stamina and collusion are not proper nouns.

edited 1st May '18 8:00:57 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#240557: May 1st 2018 at 8:47:44 AM

There are no questions about collusion because this is just the obstruction portion of the investigation. Collusion, and any other dirt that Mueller has found on Trump, are probably getting the spotlight later.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240558: May 1st 2018 at 9:04:48 AM

[up] As Adam Schiff pointed out on Maddow, there's also a distinct lack of questions about Financial Crimes and Money Laundering.

I do think he's a bit early in speculating whether or not they are being investigated at all, though.

edited 1st May '18 9:06:27 AM by megaeliz

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#240559: May 1st 2018 at 9:15:00 AM

Ok about debating the alt right: Dont get me wrong, im not taking about some collage debate where he can just blunder their wa out by trolling or rethroic but more a control scenario, also it need someone who point out their bullshit or push them to their limits, things like "How is your ethnostate is going to push is white only policy without a authoritarian state?" things like that that force to "show their power levels"

A good example of this(and relate to the coment about Muller questioning not being a rally) is Trump debate with Hilary, it was probably the WORST moment for him because is I-dont-give-a-fuck way of being pretty much crash there, it was is low point and I think if it wasnt for the electiral collage, the debate would tip things in favor of Hilary.

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Lost in Space
#240560: May 1st 2018 at 9:19:37 AM

[up]You really think that pointing out logical contradictions will sway Trump voters? Good luck with that.

Trump won because he said what a lot of people wanted to hear, and because the media managed to frame the election in terms of a scandal showdown rather than a policy debate. Trump couldn't have succeeded without millions of Americans who genuinely bought his message and, most importantly, his attitude and belief system.

edited 1st May '18 9:21:09 AM by Fighteer

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Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#240561: May 1st 2018 at 9:59:34 AM

On the topic of debate (and the alt right in general), there is this guy who makes these interesting and informative videos on the tactics commonly used by the right (though he mentions how it is not exclusive to them).

His most recent video is how the alt right will make an intentionally misleading statement (such as saying "x doxxed me) in order to provoke and split the left, with the original statement being victim to Moving the Goalposts to the point where the actual truth doesn't resemble the original statement made.

Another video relating more to how the alt right debates discusses how the alt right "wins" the debate even when factually wrong since the other side is busy trying to correct them.

edited 1st May '18 10:00:30 AM by Kakuzan

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240562: May 1st 2018 at 10:01:37 AM

In most of the analyses I saw, Hillary won the debates. She came off as much more professional, poised, and knowledgeable on policy, which was not surprising. It also didn't matter with Trump's supporters that she did, since they thought he won.

Trump spewed so much BS that Hillary couldn't even counter all of it, and played to his crowd more than actually taking the debates seriously. The Gish Gallop is another strategy you have to look out for.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240563: May 1st 2018 at 10:02:37 AM

I mentioned this earlier, but what do you guys think of Richard Painter?

He was the former Chief White House Ethics Lawyer for Bush, and is running for Senate to fill Al Franken's old seat for Minnesota. He's running as a Democrat (well the local Democratic Party anyway), and seems to be getting a lot of support.

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edited 1st May '18 10:04:14 AM by megaeliz

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#240564: May 1st 2018 at 10:11:27 AM

I can get behind the no PAC/dark money pledge. The Russian agent bit is an easy jab, but can't hold that against him.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240565: May 1st 2018 at 10:19:14 AM

[up]Here's his campaign's website.

He's a bit to the right of me for certain issues, but I like him a lot. He's a strong anti-corruption voice, supports environmental issues, and other basic social issues, and would likely be a good fit for the seat.

edited 1st May '18 10:28:05 AM by megaeliz

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#240566: May 1st 2018 at 10:20:18 AM

Fighter: no, you win by showing how much a idiot trump is, and that is what the debate did, whatever Hilary was inteligent didnt matter much to show how unquilified he was and it was a point even 4chan know it.

That is what it hurt is base the most, not much logic or how racist their argument are but to undermine this myth of the stoic and edgy provocator who can get away with everything, that is the one thing they cant bullshit around.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#240567: May 1st 2018 at 10:22:37 AM

I mentioned this earlier, but what do you guys think of Richard Painter?

I think that the chief ethics lawyer for the fucking Bush administration has no place in the Democratic Senate caucus. Especially when his whole argument for running is "Franken shouldn't have resigned for sexually assaulting 8 different women".

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#240568: May 1st 2018 at 10:22:41 AM

[up][up] Trump's base is a full on cult at this point, fueled by racial and cultural animosity. They literally booed at the mention of Hispanics when Trump said "Are there any Hispanics?" at a recent rally!

No amount of logical arguments you make will get them to change.

edited 1st May '18 10:23:07 AM by TacticalFox88

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#240569: May 1st 2018 at 10:22:48 AM

RE Painter, been following that a bit on Twitter, and what's kind of shady about what he's doing is that there is currently a Democrat in the seat. So, he's sort of trying to primary a liberal/actual Democrat under the premise of combatting Republicans.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#240570: May 1st 2018 at 10:29:54 AM

Grammatical errors point to Trump as the source who leaked the list of Mueller's questions. "Lawyers wouldn’t write questions this way, in my estimation," said CNN analyst and former assistant to Robert Mueller Michael Zeldin. "Some of the grammar is not even proper," he continued. "I think these are more notes that the White House has taken and then they have expanded upon the conversation to write out these as questions."

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/385602-muellers-former-assistant-says-grammatical-errors-prove-leaked-questions-came

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240571: May 1st 2018 at 10:35:37 AM

[up][up] From what I saw, he's said he's not going to run attack ads on the other Democratic Candidate, and seems to genuinely want to let the best one win.

I'm okay with just letting the voters figure that out in the primary.

edited 1st May '18 10:49:34 AM by megaeliz

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#240572: May 1st 2018 at 10:43:44 AM

We shouldn't turn to Bush-era Republicans just because Trump-era Republicans make them look good. In case we all forgot, they were pretty horrible too.

Before alternative facts were even a thing there was the "reality-based community". The Neocons were a nightmare I'd rather not revisit.

They should have sent a poet.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#240573: May 1st 2018 at 10:46:52 AM

"No amount of logical arguments you make will get them to change. ·"

Sure but a) it put is cultish base as that, alwas in the edge because they dont have anything to stick against dems excet the old beating point who are getting stale every point, and b) it push any ground they can have to the mainstraim since they see him as idiot.

My biggest worry is the sense of polarization is growing, which would make thing for the country at the long turn.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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#240574: May 1st 2018 at 10:49:12 AM

[up][up]Was he a a Republican in the Bush era? Or did he just work in the WH?

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#240575: May 1st 2018 at 10:51:05 AM

I think that the chief ethics lawyer for the fucking Bush administration has no place in the Democratic Senate caucus. Especially when his whole argument for running is "Franken shouldn't have resigned for sexually assaulting 8 different women".
Do you have a source on that? Because if so that's really fucked up.

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