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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#240426: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:07:02 PM

I’ll made a judgment on generation Z’s political leanings when we have data other than one debunked poll and some anecdotes.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Imca (Veteran)
#240427: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:10:21 PM

Waiting until the election after next puts us in the same spot republicians have dug themselfs into, of not a counting for the future until it hits.

Pre-emptive damage control is vital, you can't rely on after the fact patch jobs.

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#240428: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:11:10 PM

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Regarding that...I'm not sure how I can phrase this without starting flame wars and anger, but...I'll try.

Basically, some modern feminists, well...they seem to have a pretty conservative view on sex and revealing clothing. Specifically, they seem to scorn both.

Granted, with most feminists I've interacted with in real life, that's not really the case.

edited 30th Apr '18 3:12:02 PM by TheWildWestPyro

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#240429: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:13:20 PM

Gen Z being conservative in contrast to millenials and crapping all over their political legacy would be the icing on the cake of the comparison to the so called greatest generation. Hopefully my own area of research bears fruit and we can stick around to keep those little shits in line for the next few centuries at least. tongue

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#240430: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:16:05 PM

[up]X3 There is solid evidence that the GOP has a demographic problem, there is no actual serious evidence that the Dems are facing a problem with generation Z.

[up][up] Sex negative feminism has always been a thing, it certainly got a lot more exposure with the rise of the internet but it’s always been there and I’m not gonna freak out about it until I see evidence that it’s on the rise.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#240432: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:22:07 PM

I'm one of those "little shits," and I'm not too fond of this talk.

Also, we have zero source on that person claiming that Gen Z is more conservative, so why are we even debating it?

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#240433: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:22:59 PM

[up]Agreed, lets not smear an entire generation just on anecdotes.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#240434: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:30:29 PM

It's a bit early for millennials to start shitting on the younger generation. We've got to at least wait until we're bitter entitled middle-aged people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Imca (Veteran)
#240435: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:31:14 PM

Even Forbes is saying the same thing, and really this points out a huge problem this thread has, thr inability to ever consider the posibity that things could go badly, or that people could not agree.

"Trump will never win" was touted as a fact back then dispite calls that there was a real chance he could, it was seen as doom saying and dismissed.

And now we are putting the cart before the horse on a blue wave, and the fact that the next generation will vote with us, when there is a very real posibity neither will happen.

For a thread that got mad at a user for being overly opptimistic, it way to often fails to consider what happens when things go wrong.

It's not like it is even that hard to acount for the Gen Z problem, most of them respond really well to just being talked too on a personal level, but just assuming they are with us is damnimg.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#240436: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:34:32 PM

[up] An op-ed ("Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.") dated from last year isn't the most reliable source.

edited 30th Apr '18 3:36:59 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#240437: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:37:04 PM

How is "Gen Z" being defined, and is it separate from millennials?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#240438: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:41:40 PM

My own question on the op-ed was "What are its sources. A quick skim provided the following links

https://www.marketingweek.com/2016/09/14/behaviour-versus-demographics-why-the-term-millennial-is-useless/#.V9kYPw2SASg.twitter

Context within article:

Oftentimes Millennials have been criticized for being notoriously liberal, but it looks like the generation right behind us has completely rebelled. A U.K. Study at The Gild did a survey of almost 2,000 adults and found that on issues like gay marriage, marijuana legalization, transgender rights, and even tattoos, 59% of Gen Z respondents described their views as ‘conservative’ and ‘moderate’.

Subscribe To The Forbes Careers Newsletter Sign up here to get top career advice delivered straight to your inbox every week. Recommended by Forbes This is a radical change from 83% Millennials and 85% of Gen X who state that their views are ‘quite’ or ‘very liberal’ on those same issues. What’s worrying is that given their more conservative leanings, Gen Z was not taken into account during this election, even though for many of them it was their first. Younger generations are famous for being liberal, therefore we mistakenly assumed that Gen Z would vote Democratic. But studies show that Gen Z’s views closely resemble those of Libertarian or Moderate Republicans, and that they related with Donald Trump on issues like national security and job creation.

http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgenhq.com%2F&esheet=51552670&newsitemid=20170504005148&lan=en-US&anchor=The+Center+for+Generational+Kinetics&index=1&md5=c2bf3a7902f2dea78c624b8a75fbf786

Context within article:

One thing us Millenials can be jealous of in regards to Generation Z: they avoid student loans like fire! Generation Z is not only more socially conservative, they are also more fiscally conservative. A new national study by The Center for Generational Kinetics discovered that Gen Z students plan to “work during college, keep clear of any personal debt, and start saving for retirement.”

Shockingly 12% have already already saving for retirement, and a huge 21% of Gen Z had a savings account before the age of ten. Currently 77% of Gen Z earn their own spending money by doing“freelance work, a part time job, or earned allowance.” Jason Dorsey, President of the Center for Generational Kinetics and Gen Z and Millennial expert said of Gen Z, “Their practical and fiscally conservative behavior is making them part of businesses and our economy despite their young age.”

I'm not in a position to look at these, nor am I aware of how reliable (or not) they are.

edited 30th Apr '18 3:42:53 PM by sgamer82

Imca (Veteran)
#240439: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:42:49 PM

41% attend church vs 18% of melenials

Most are fiscal conservative and 50% would vote trump vs 30% clinton

They are more money oriented then Melenials

It's not just the op ed, and it is not a good idea to ingnore a potential looming threat like this.

edited 30th Apr '18 3:44:45 PM by Imca

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#240440: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:45:04 PM

How is "Gen Z" being defined, and is it separate from millennials?

"Born after 2000" is the most common cutoff point I see, but I don't think it's universal or anything.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#240441: Apr 30th 2018 at 3:51:58 PM

[up][up] So... what are you expecting people to do? Let the GOP cause anothet recession via idiocy and hope for the best? Tell the Dems to rush Conservative?

I don't see how "more Conservative right now despite mostly not being of voting age" translates to supporting Trump's lack of policies in some distant future, either.

Though I'd like to see actual voting breakdown from elections first, not random demographic polls.

edited 30th Apr '18 3:53:51 PM by RainehDaze

Imca (Veteran)
#240442: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:00:01 PM

No what I am expecting people to do is realize "Gen Z agrees with us" is not a sure bet, and is shaping up to actualy be false.

Acounting for that, one can get to work on any damage control methods that need to be done in advance rather then just assuming "we won't have another trump because the Republicans are dieing"

And beyond that I even gave an effectibe method to be proactive, gen z is not like the alt right, they are still developing and formulating opinions and as such are rather open to just being engaged with.... but we have to you know actualy engage with them rather then assuming "there with us why bother", out reach doesn't work if you don't reach out, and the rights propaganda machine is much more effective then ours.

Also the second one was apperntly actual data on first time voters, not random poll, my bad there.

edited 30th Apr '18 4:01:15 PM by Imca

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#240443: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:00:41 PM

[up] I mean, people's opinions can change drastically in the course of a year, like what happened with me from 17 to 18 now after seeing all of Trump's policies in action and learning more about people different than me. Some younger people still may undergo that same shift.

Life is unfair...
Imca (Veteran)
#240444: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:02:44 PM

[up] The ones I have seen are not shifting because they are convinced in bothsidereism and think Hillary would have caused the same issues.

They are not liking what Trump is doing, but not turning on him either.

edited 30th Apr '18 4:03:44 PM by Imca

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#240445: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:04:49 PM

I think it's rather ridiculously preemptive to assume that possible trends amongst Gen Z must stay the course, so no there's nothing unreasonable about seeing the meme of "Gen Z is super conservative" as questionable.

Not to mention "they're already with us" is nothing more than a strawman, no-one has said that we should assume their support.

edited 30th Apr '18 4:05:36 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#240447: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:06:32 PM

I can't think of a way to engage with wilful denial of reality. The Republicans are a dysfunctional shambolic mess that can't pass anything because they can't agree on how harsh to be and refuse the concept of compromise.

Claiming the other side would be just as bad without evidence defies any sense.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#240448: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:08:30 PM

I'm still kind of miffed that the background picture for that Twitter uses Magneto. I think he'd probably hate Trump?

Oh God! Natural light!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#240449: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:10:06 PM

[up][up] I'm wondering if Imca's point is "That doesn't mean it's not happening"

[up] Maybe deliberate for added irony?

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#240450: Apr 30th 2018 at 4:11:07 PM

@sgamer: I just noticed, is that article really trying to claim that fiscally responsible = fiscally conservative? I thought that myth died after last year's GOP tax bill. I did have a savings account before ten and am planning to work through college, but you won't see me promoting corporatism.

edited 30th Apr '18 4:15:34 PM by Grafite

Life is unfair...

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