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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I lived in West Virginia for ten years and technically don't live in West Virginia because I moved across the river. Generally, the reason the state has absolutely no confidence in environmental protections despite the fact it's the center of things like strip mining (now called "mountaintop removal" to be less harsh sounding) is because there's a general sense the governments of both it as well as Kentucky and Tennessee could care less if the public lives or dies.
This is due to massive number of, ironically, deaths by environmental issues, drugs, and crime. They feel like the government would shut down the shitty barely maintained local industries to "protect" them while leaving nothing in return.
Mind you, the energy industry in the region was briefly owned by Enron and they slashed and burned it so....whatcha gonna do.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.![]()
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...yeah, ask that person if they've ever read the entirety of the Old Testament. Old Testament God was a huge Jerkass. Just have him watch God on Trial, or at least the concluding speech from the Rabbi.
And yeah, that's one of the biggest hurdles - it's all well and good to say "We need to get away from burning coal!", but it doesn't take into account those whose only job experience is mining the stuff. The same idea goes for nationalizing health insurance - that's a lot of people suddenly out of work, though their skills are a good deal more transferable than coal miners'.
edited 30th Apr '18 1:08:10 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"And now as per usual all the damning evidence against Trump and the shit he's been in recently will be all washed away by the TRUMP SAVED KOREA NOBEL NOBEL NOBEL crowd
I'm aware this is a dead horse by this point but Trump is literally the evil version of Gladstone Gardner. No matter what happens it's like the world bends down to cover his ass every single time
Honestly, I'll gladly defend Old Testament God.
He's dealing with some pretty monstrous people.
The story of Abraham's sacrifice, for example, is one of the worst misunderstood passages of the Bible. People seem to completely miss human sacrifice of children is common and God is saying NOT to do it.
Re: Trump
I'm reminded of VEEP where the Idiot Hero Straw Liberal somehow frees Tibet and it restores her justly destroyed career.
edited 30th Apr '18 1:42:03 PM by CharlesPhipps
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Sure, but that's still a God who commanded his followers to Kill Em All and then punished them for trying to spare even the livestock. Or (as mentioned in the aforementioned film) punishing King David for his Uriah Gambit by inflicting his son with a wasting disease before killing him on the 7th day.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"If you thought the universe bent down to Trump because of Korea, wait until you see this:
News media claim that these are solid claims, and knowing Isreali intelligence capabilities I don't doubt it. In this case though, I am inclined to agree with Trump, in that Iran has been fooling supervisors of the deal and that undermines the whole point of the thing. It needs to be revised in order to ensure they are complying 100% and if not, go back to enforcing heavy sanctions.
Life is unfair...Because winning the Nobel Prize for his tremendous leadership will pretty much legitimize his Presidency in the history books in a way that no amount of bungling incompetence can undermine. It will formally and officially credit Trump for the end of the Korean War, and that will cement him as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.
It will become next to impossible to combat his agenda or keep him from becoming next-gen Reagan at that point, defining the course of the Republican party for generations to come.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.But Trump barely played any role in this. It has a lot more to do with North Korea's testing site being destroyed due to their own bungling than anything Trump did. The biggest risk is that it would play into his propaganda.
And we still aren't sure if North Korea will keep to their end of the deal.
edited 30th Apr '18 2:20:39 PM by Raptorslash
It doesn't mater that the truth is Trump had nothing to do with this, people belive he did.
Edit: Also we are sure they will keep there end of the deal, because they literaly can not not keep it at this point, there nuclear test site is gone.... they cant make new nukes without it.
edited 30th Apr '18 2:32:32 PM by Imca
That Trump had next to nothing to do with this is why it would be so frustrating if he won a Nobel Peace Prize for it. It would be the ultimate extension of his ability to successfully take credit for things. He had very little involvement in ending the Korean War, yet we would still be allowing him to irrevocably stick his name on this moment in history, plated in gold.
"And then Donald Trump singlehandedly ended the Korean War, bringing about a great moment in history for all mankind and moving the world ever closer to peace," is a passage in the history books that cannot be allowed to be written.
edited 30th Apr '18 2:36:51 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Or that they just recognize a good PR opportunity. Like, even Obama has no idea what the f*ck he won a Nobel Prize for. He even gave an acceptance speech about how important it is to stay at war.
If this actually occurs, then we'll still be fighting him in thirty years. He'll be dead and in the ground, and our children will be sitting right here where we are now, pushing back against the tide of Trump-worshipping loyalists who are fighting in Congress to bring about Trump-onomics and the Trump social order.
edited 30th Apr '18 2:38:18 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Reagan also took credit for ending the Cold War, which again was more because the USSR collapsed under its own weight than anything Reagan did.
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I'm not sure millenials as a generation are particularly conservative. I get the sense a lot of us are cynical and more apathetic about politics, though - which is also a problem.
edited 30th Apr '18 2:43:16 PM by Raptorslash
That poll backs up personal experience with a significant amount of time around Gen Z members over the last six months.
Most of them are extraordinarily conservative, especially on issues like like immigration where they have had there childhood filled with events like the war on terror, leading to a dim view on Muslims.... and the fact that they are convinced that racism and sexism are already dead leading to a dim view on things like BLM and Feminism.
What is interesting is that there views on the surface ARE liberal with most supporting topics like stronger gun control, and them believing people that should be treated equally.... but as you spend more time with them you realize that these are only surface views and that a lot of there deeper views are much more in line with the right.... "Minorities are just being whiny, they are already equal, and we need to crack down on immigration because the middle east is a violent cesspool"
edited 30th Apr '18 3:02:36 PM by Imca

Are we seriously freaking out over a single poll? Come on.
Even if it's accurate it doesn't exactly bother me, as a minority party the Democrats aren't in much of a position to do anything and thus ignorant people hold that against them. Once elections properly start and Democrats can campaign on things like healthcare, infrastructure, and pro-labor legislation it will probably change.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang