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#240376: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:09:46 AM

[up]But support for democrats is falling because people are believing the GOP's propaganda, so the end result doesn't really change.

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#240377: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:10:13 AM

People expect Dems to be superheroes and fix America overnight, and are mad at them for not doing so. No surprise, really.

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#240378: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:10:41 AM

.....assuming that it's only the GOP propaganda that might cause millennials to change opinions is not accurate. The world is not solely made of democrats and republicans.

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#240379: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:16:31 AM

Yes, there're a lot of people who have tuned out of politics due to apathy, or who are unshakably convinced that there's some sort of viable third option.

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#240380: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:31:54 AM

There's also the fact that future generations are going to grow up reading those sanitized presidential history books for children, which are arguably the most impactful source of political knowledge for most Americans.

Like, I've actually been photographing the insides for those things as part of my plans to do a future project about them one day, and it's downright horrifying how Nixon's faults are described in detail (e.g covered up his men's illegal activities, red-baited his opponents as communists with cherry-picked or downright without evidence) while Trump's are reduced to "was rude to women", "has unpopular anti-immigrant policies", or most egregiously "is controversial for personal behavior".

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#240381: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:41:43 AM

[up][up] If one of the parties implodes there is a third option that eventually replaces the collapsed one. Neither party is particularly popular, independents are at an all time high, and the GOP is facing a demographic cliff of epic proportions, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that something like that could plausibly happen within the forseeablr future.

edited 30th Apr '18 9:47:00 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#240382: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:47:49 AM

I also suspect people are engaging in an overton window tug of war. Trying to remain in their position so the party will try and court them.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#240383: Apr 30th 2018 at 9:59:26 AM

https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2018/04/30/day-466/

Day 466: Panic mode.

1/ Trump threatened to shut down the federal government in September if Congress doesn't agree to include more funding for his border wall in the next spending bill. "We come up again on September 28th," Trump said during a rally in Michigan on Saturday, "and if we don't get border security we will have no choice, we will close down the country because we need border security." (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-government/trump-threatens-govt-shutdown-in-sept-if-no-funding-for-wall-idUSKBN1I0018

2/ Ronny Jackson will not return to his former job as the the president's personal physician. A series of allegations caused Jackson to withdraw from consideration to become the next secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Sean Conley took over for Jackson last month and will continue in that role. (Politico / Washington Post)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/29/ronny-jackson-trump-doctor-559529

Who the f*ck has left the Trump administration: A timeline of all the departures so far… (WTFJHT Community)

https://talk.whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/t/who-the-fuck-has-left-the-trump-administration/908

3/ Trump called on Montana Senator Jon Tester to resign and threatened to spread allegations about him in retaliation for releasing a document summarizing the allegations against Ronny Jackson. Trump said the allegations against Jackson were fabricated. "Tester started throwing out things that he's heard," Trump told the crowd. "Well, I know things about Tester that I could say, too. And if I said them, he'd never be elected again." (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/28/us/politics/trump-tester-jackson-va.html

4/ The Justice Department removed language from its manual related to gerrymandering, freedom of the press, and limits on prosecutorial power. Jeff Sessions' tough-on-crime policies were added to the manual, as well as language that underscores his focus on religious liberty, and Trump's attempts to crack down on government leaks. The last significant update to the manual happened in 1997. (Buzz Feed News)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/the-justice-department-deleted-language-about-press-freedom?utm_term=.sx18KRqz9q#.exLeoGLJDL

5/ Trump Jr. and Emin Agalarov maintained a direct line of communication before and after the 2016 Trump Tower meeting. The two continued to communicate via a series of text messages until at least December 2016. (Buzz Feed News)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/trump-jr-and-emin-agalarov-stayed-in-touch-during-the?utm_term=.iupxEk6Xa6#.libdJPkNKk

6/ Natalia Veselnitskaya also followed up with the Trump campaign in the wake of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting. Veselnitskaya reached out to the Trump family after the election and continued to lobby for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics/russians-trump-team-magnitsky-act/index.html

7/ The FBI questioned a Russian MMA fighter linked to Putin, Trump, and Michael Cohen. The FBI showed up unannounced at Fedor Emelianenko's hotel room in Chicago. "All I can say is that, yeah, they showed up unannounced, knocking on our doors," Emelianenko's manager Jerry Millen said. Trump announced a joint venture involving MMA and Emelianenko in 2008. Cohen was the league's chief operating officer. (Associated Press / The Telegraph / NY Daily News)

https://apnews.com/82f1df7873ec4b7c91050e707c61a749/MMA-fighter-with-links-to-Trump,-Cohen-is-questioned-by-FBI

8/ Michael Avenatti: Trump is in "panic mode" and expects Michael Cohen to cooperate with investigators. "We're going to be able to prove that the president knew about the agreement," Stormy Daniels' attorney said, "and knew about the $130,000." Trump has denied a relationship with Daniels or knowledge of the payment to her, but told Fox and Friends that Cohen was representing him in the "crazy Stormy Daniels deal" – contradicting what he said on Air Force One. (The Guardian / The Hill)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385412-stormy-daniels-attorney-were-going-to-be-able-to-prove-that-the

9/ A federal judge granted a 90-day delay in Stormy Daniels' suit against Trump, saying it appeared "likely" that Michael Cohen would be indicated in a related criminal investigation. The judge called Cohen "the alleged mastermind" of the deal, which makes his testimony "indispensable." Cohen plans to assert his Fifth Amendment rights if asked to answer any further questions about Daniels' suit, which seeks to void an agreement that led to a $130,000 payment Cohen facilitated before the 2016 presidential election. (Politico / Washington Post)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/27/trump-stormy-daniels-case-delay-558294

poll/ 46% of Millennial voters support Democrats over Republicans for Congress – down about 9 percentage from two years ago. 28% expressed overt support for Republicans in the 2018 poll - about the same percentage as two years earlier. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-millennials/democrats-lose-ground-with-millennials-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1I10YH

Notables.

Trump is expected to speak at the NRA's annual meeting in Dallas later this week. The address would be Trump's third consecutive appearance at the NRA's annual event. (CNN / Washington Post)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/29/politics/trump-nra-annual-meeting/index.html

Kim Jong-un told South Korea that he would abandon his nuclear weapons if the U.S. promised not to invade his country. The South Korean government also said Kim would invite experts and journalists to watch the shutdown next month of the country's only known underground nuclear test site. (New York Times)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/29/world/asia/north-korea-trump-nuclear.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the standoff with North Korea over its nuclear weapons program. (Reuters)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/trump-should-win-the-nobel-peace-prize-says-south-koreas-moon-idUSKBN1I10OD

Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240384: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:03:40 AM

I've bumped into a not-small number of younger people who think both sides suck, and they're only slightly more angry at Trump because he's in power.

There's just a general distrust of politicians, which I can understand but isn't particularly helpful - and ultimately helps the Republicans when our side sits out the vote, since their voters are less likely to.

[up] What's with the South Korean President kising Trump's ass? He didn't have much to do with the talkk, judging from what I've heard here.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:08:54 AM by Raptorslash

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#240385: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:08:05 AM

Guys, the Reuters article is based on one poll, of a kind that's usually considered unreliable (online only), and it runs counter to special election results (which still show millennials going Dem by ridiculous margins). Put it on the average and don't panic over it.

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#240386: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:11:17 AM

... ugh, fuck you, Moon.

Like, I get it. I do. It doesn't cost you anything to say Trump deserves credit. But it costs us dearly. Trump is going to get a pretty decent surge in approvals for this.

[up][up] It's a basic tactic of soft power. It doesn't cost him anything to be amenable to Trump, and it keeps Trump's interest in supporting South Korea.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:12:24 AM by Larkmarn

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#240387: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:14:00 AM

Can Trump actually shut down the federal government?

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#240388: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:14:25 AM

[up][up]It's also probably an attempt to keep Trump from fucking up the peace process by pandering to his ego.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:14:58 AM by M84

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#240389: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:15:49 AM

[up][up] He can veto any spending measure that comes to his desk in September, and barring a Veto-Override in the Senate (which would paint the Republican Party badly with the Trumpeteers), that would result in a Government Shutdown.

Considering how badly that would be for Republicans in November, though, it's a lose-lose situation for every Republican involved.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:21:58 AM by DingoWalley1

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#240390: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:16:22 AM

[up][up][up]Trump can veto spending bills, which would need to be overridden by Congress to get around him. So yes, in a sense, but it's not absolute.

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edited 30th Apr '18 10:16:41 AM by TheRoguePenguin

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#240391: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:19:28 AM

Yeah, a Trump-induced shutdown two months before midterms would... not be good for Republicans.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:20:11 AM by PhysicalStamina

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#240392: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:20:05 AM

Actually, what Moon said was that Trump can win the Nobel Peace Prize, as long as in the end everything is good in the Korean peninsula. Let's not exaggerate things.

Second, millenials have been turning in great numbers for the democrats in special elections, specially the unaffiliated (ones with no party). I'll eat my hat if they don't in the midterms, but I'm going to assume this is just an outlier poll.

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#240393: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:21:22 AM

Trump winning the Nobel would be a damaging propaganda victory of unimaginable proportion. Moon even suggesting it does harm.

edited 30th Apr '18 10:24:09 AM by CrimsonZephyr

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240394: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:23:40 AM

[up] At the very least he'd never shut up about it, and it would be another example of how he gets what he wants without really earning it.

I'm kind of interested by how vague educational kid's books about presidents are about Trump.

I'm assuming they have to play nice because he's in office, or it may be because what he's accused of is so non-child friendly?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240395: Apr 30th 2018 at 10:48:20 AM

[up] hard to be objective and detached when you're living it. Give it time.

Keeping up with the snowflake in tweets.

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Headline: “Kim Prepared to Cede Nuclear Weapons if U.S. Pledges Not to Invade” - from the Failing New York Times. Also, will shut down Nuclear Test Site in May.

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The White House Correspondents’ Dinner is DEAD as we know it. This was a total disaster and an embarrassment to our great Country and all that it stands for. FAKE NEWS is alive and well and beautifully represented on Saturday night!

Numerous countries are being considered for the MEETING, but would Peace House/Freedom House, on the Border of North & South Korea, be a more Representative, Important and Lasting site than a third party country? Just asking!

edited 30th Apr '18 10:54:33 AM by megaeliz

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#240396: Apr 30th 2018 at 11:15:59 AM

To make reading these tweets more tolerable, take John Oliver's advice and treat any capitalizing as him randomly shouting those words.

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#240397: Apr 30th 2018 at 11:32:24 AM

Now I'm curious how Trump maintains those numbers despite gross incompetence and unprofessional behavior. Racism, propaganda, and his cult following is my guess.

Because half of the country watches FOX News.

This is something that I fear gets lost in the discourse on the left. We take for granted that everyone knows how shitty Trump is, because of all the press coverage that his shittiness gets. However, FOX News is not some two-bit rinky-dink publication like Breitbart or InfoWars. It's the most watched news network in the country.

A significant percentage of people in this country regularly consume the right's propaganda machine and go, "Yes, that is the state of this country. Yes, this is who Trump is, these are the things he has done, and these are the effects. It's true because Sean Hannity said so."

Every time these polls come out, people are shocked by how many people still support the awful things that Republicans are doing. But you shouldn't be, because we are in the midst of an information war over a basic understanding of facts in this country, and the enemy might not necessarily be winning, but they're keeping pace pretty well.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#240398: Apr 30th 2018 at 11:39:49 AM

But support for democrats is falling because people are believing the GOP's propaganda, so the end result doesn't really change.

It isn't so much "believing." And it has nothing to do with millenials in particular.

Understand that even if you know that every major news outlet is full of shit, you're still constantly exposed to it. Their reporting creates the background noise that frames the entire political situation and gives the GOP cover. They aren't susceptible to being called out for lies when they can simply take those lies for granted as the truth. They don't have to defend positions that are presented as self-evidently true. Balanced budgets and Hillary's corruption come to mind.

Simply blaring noise on repeat is good enough for their base.

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#240399: Apr 30th 2018 at 11:42:03 AM

[up][up]I'd say half the country is winning, if barely.

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240400: Apr 30th 2018 at 11:49:14 AM

Returning to the creationism example, the creationist I talked to thought belief in evolution meant believing that God used extinction, death and suffering as a tool in creation, which was incompatible with his belief system. He didn't think a good God would do that.

So science and facts have nothing to do with this. People's emotions and "gut feelings" do, and we need a way to counter that. We cannot win them over with facts.


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