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#240251: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:08:29 AM

> if you're being regularly mocked, there's probably a reason

Outside of people be dicks yeah

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#240252: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:12:53 AM

[up]That is a possible reason yes.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#240253: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:15:18 AM

Esp. at a roast.

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danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#240254: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:15:48 AM

So comedians are also part of the "elite" now?

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#240255: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:19:37 AM

How does it compare to the Colbert roasting?

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#240256: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:22:05 AM

Not only that, comedians are part of the elite and chairmen of long-established conservative foundations are not.

It's been fun.
Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240257: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:27:01 AM

Trump himself is as "elite" as you get. He was born into money and was never not money. So I never really got where the idea of "Trump as the hero of the working man" came from. He's certainly no friend of unions or worker or consumer protections.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#240258: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:31:11 AM

[up]Well, he's a hero in that he is how many working men would imagine themselves being if they had the money and power he does.

Also he pisses off the people that they don't like so that's automatic heroism in their books.

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#240259: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:32:49 AM

"Elite" is a word which here means "people we don't like very much".

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#240260: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:33:53 AM

[up][up][up]I've been wondering that for three years.

edited 29th Apr '18 10:34:04 AM by BearyScary

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#240261: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:37:53 AM

Trump does seem to be a walking stereotype of "what a poor person thinks rich people act like", which is weird because, as mentioned, he's been rich his entire life.

But his base can relate to that I assume, because he acts the way they would if they had all his money and position.

BJV Since: Jun, 2013
#240262: Apr 29th 2018 at 10:44:07 AM

I've been called an elite. I'm not rich and work in retail, but I'm from the East Coast, hence me either being an "elite" or a "cuck".

It's annoying.

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#240263: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:00:19 AM

Once again, we see the difference in regimes.

Obama used to attend these dinners, and he used them as opportunities to join in the fun. He roasted everybody. Everybody. Democrats, Republicans, and the press alike. Nobody emerged unscathed from the annual routine from the Comedian-in-Chief.

In fact, according to one of Trump's own campaign spokespeople during his Presidential campaign, seeking revenge for being on the receiving end of one of Obama's roasts was his entire motivation for pursuing the Presidency.

Obama's routine never failed to win the crowd, and he always walked away from those dinners looking like he's on top of the world. This is because he played along, took the barbs, and made several of his own. He played the game.

Trump has a much thinner skin, and his party has followed suit. Trump's solution to the prospect of the Correspondent's Dinner is to take his ball and go home because they're making fun of him. It says a lot for how things have changed that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is being considered noteworthy and commendable merely for not throwing a piss-baby tantrum and storming out when Michelle Wolf made fun of her.

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240264: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:06:30 AM

I've been called an elite because I go to grad school.

[up] I remember that - Obama was making fun of Trump over his racist birther conspiracy theories. Of course Trump couldn't take the joke.

That's a thing with bullies. They like making fun of and insulting other people, but can't stand jokes aimed at them.

edited 29th Apr '18 11:10:42 AM by Raptorslash

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#240265: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:25:41 AM

The thin-skinnedness of those conservatives got me wondering how much conservatives actually make fun of themselves. Like, I think only I can think of is maybe Bill Engvall?

edited 29th Apr '18 11:25:52 AM by PhysicalStamina

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240266: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:31:56 AM

[up] Well, as far as I am aware, there are a lot less Conservative comedians than Liberal ones.

edited 29th Apr '18 11:36:56 AM by megaeliz

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#240267: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:35:01 AM

Republican ideology is closely linked with many tenets of Toxic Masculinity, where a man's pride and ego must constantly be proven and every interaction is taken as a challenge to your manhood.

To a Republican, a Trigger Warning is a subject matter that might literally get you shot for the sake of preserving someone's ego.

edited 29th Apr '18 11:35:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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Raptorslash Since: Oct, 2010
#240268: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:40:08 AM

[up][up]And conservative humor tends to punch down - look at Trump's "humor" at his rallies.

edited 29th Apr '18 11:40:34 AM by Raptorslash

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240269: Apr 29th 2018 at 11:53:54 AM

[up] Comedy is also, by nature, subversive. The basic setup of a joke, is to take expectations and completely subvert them in some way.

This guy's reddit response to a similar question puts it better than I can.

People much smarter than me have made this point countless times, but the problem is that what's funny is inherently subversive. Not just politically, but literally, the structure of any joke is taking an expectation and totally blowing it up. To grossly oversimplify it, conservative philosophy is about maintaining the status quo. It's hard to subvert a premise about not subverting social norms. Or at least, it's hard to surprise peoples' expectations in a way that results in a laughter response, when your whole political philosophy is about reaffirming expectations.

That's why 99% of conservative comedy, from youtube to twitter to Rush Limbaugh, is just about making fun of liberals as people. Look at how they dress, what they eat, the words they use. That's low-hanging fruit, but if you try to ridicule progressive causes it comes off as just a defense of the power structures. Which by definition is not subversive.

edited 29th Apr '18 12:06:53 PM by megaeliz

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#240270: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:10:07 PM

a man's pride and ego must constantly be proven and every interaction is taken as a challenge to your manhood.

The irony inherent in this is that Obama's approach is a much more effective way of protecting one's ego and pride- to be unfazed by mockery, and respond to it with a smile projects considerably more confidence and than visibly letting it get to you.

Letting something like that provoke a sincere emotional reaction serves as evidence that the criticism is valid, while shrugging it off suggests that it's so off-base that it's not even worth taking seriously.

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240271: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:11:54 PM

Here's the her full routine from the WHCD from C Span, if anyone wants to watch it.

Personally, without even thinking about the politics, I don't really think it was that great of a stand-up, but that's just me.

edited 29th Apr '18 12:25:46 PM by megaeliz

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#240272: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:19:23 PM

@Physical: Elite has an actual meaning in the context of various fields of social science, though it varies between school of thought and discipline. When its thrown around by a layperson though, it's very frequently being misused, often seriously so.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#240273: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:33:27 PM

Trump does seem to be a walking stereotype of "what a poor person thinks rich people act like", which is weird because, as mentioned, he's been rich his entire life.

Trump is also a walking stereotype of what Old Money families think New Money families are like.

Here's the thing. There are two types of rich people: Old Money and New Money. And they are not equal.

Trump is the worst New Money stereotypes that both ordinary people and Old Money people have. He is not accepted by the Old Money elite and never will be. He knows this; that's why he rants about tearing down the 'elite' and 'draining the swamp' so much. He's lashing out at all those rich people who look down on him.

In fact, according to one of Trump's own campaign spokespeople during his Presidential campaign, seeking revenge for being on the receiving end of one of Obama's roasts was his entire motivation for pursuing the Presidency.

I heard that before, but I'm not convinced. The reason why is because the roast in question (2011, I think) was when Obama said Trump would never, ever be president. The reason Obama said that is because everyone knew that Trump was planning to run for president. Nobody was certain which election he'd run in, but it was common knowledge by then that Trump desperately wanted to run for president.

What the Obama roasting probably did was solidify a hatred of Obama and solidify which year Trump would run for president in. What it's very unlikely to have done is made Trump want to run for president. If that was true, Obama would have had no reason to roast him for it in the first place because there would have been no existing knowledge of Trump's desire to mock.

edited 29th Apr '18 12:38:51 PM by Wyldchyld

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#240274: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:37:26 PM

So, who would qualify as "Old Money" in America, I wonder?

I know during the Victorian Age, the Old Money, tended to look down on the newly wealthy industrialists and Oil Barons, for their ostentatious displays of wealth and tasteless, but I'm not sure what that would look like today.

edited 29th Apr '18 12:42:45 PM by megaeliz

StarOutlaw Since: Nov, 2010
#240275: Apr 29th 2018 at 12:37:38 PM

@Gilphon I totally agree, but I think to many conservatives seeing someone NOT fighting back is a sign of weakness and acting too nice. Even if Obama was unfazed, it could be taken as him acting like a doormat and just taking the abuse.

Honestly, I think Trumps base would like him less if he actually did have thick skin.


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