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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I don't completely dismiss those points, but as I see it, I'm kind of skeptical that Trump-supporting Jones supporters would pay attention to the minutiae of confirmation voters. And conversely, I'm skeptical that there are a lot of Trump-supporting Jones supporters, or that confirmation votes would lead a Trump supporter/Republican to decide to vote for Jones, since as noted, he's not voting with Trump/Republicans the far majority of the time.
Occam's Razor would make me think that Jones and the others vote this way because they genuinely support those nominees.
To be fair, though - if the Democrats had someone as overtly vile as Trump coming up, I'm pretty sure I'd want the superdelegates as the Ace in the hole to try thwarting (or at least weakening) their position. The election would be lost, sure, but the long-term health of the party would be better - akin to amputating a gangrenous limb.
On a different note, I really wish CNN would stop including some of the bullet-points they do in coverage of Trump's statements - of the 53 in his call with Fox & Friends they listed, two of them had to do with Melania's birthday. While it might be bizarre, it's absolute fluff compared to the meat & potatoes where Trump admitted Cohen paid of Stormy Daniels as part of his representation of Trump, meaning that Cohen at least lied to investigators when claiming that Trump had no knowledge of the deal.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Except it's not about getting Republicans to vote for you as much as it's stopping them from voting against you, every Republican that stays home increases the chances of these red state Democrats getting re-elected.
Someone who truly supports it and someone who merely wants to do some good while still representing conservative constituents would behave more or less identically in this context, thus I think it's more fair to give them the benefit of the doubt.
edited 26th Apr '18 12:39:00 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangHonestly, if you thought a Democrat representing Alabama (or West Viriginia, Indiana, wherever) could get away with never voting with Republicans on anything important and still have a chance of being re-elected, I think the issue is more with you than the Democrat in question. That was just never going to be an option.
edited 26th Apr '18 12:57:45 PM by LSBK
Absolutely, some people just have unrealistic views of Jones.
That's not even counting the fringe Leftists who just wanted to smear a centrist Democratic for not being perfect.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:01:38 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI think opposing any idea just because Sanders supports it is frankly a horrific example of intellectual dishonestly. We should be able to debate the pros and cons of removing superdelegates without even mentioning Sanders. Hitler Ate Sugar and even broken clocks are right twice a day.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:24:53 PM by Clarste
As someone who didn't know a lot about politics at the time and observed a lot of that primary, the super delegates were.... not good with the PR. Like if the average person checks to see the results of the primary, and see that Clinton had an extra 40 votes before the primary even started... you need a LOT of information on politics to understand why that's kosher.
So I'm not really surprised people dislike it.
Read my stories!I think the part that is most galling to me about this is that the people who are complaining about this system and complained about it throughout the primaries tried to take advantage of it at the eleventh hour when it became clear they weren't going to win "fairly". Kind of undermined any point they had.
I have no doubt that if they end up on the losing end of the primaries again, they will try to appeal to the superdelegates again.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:44:33 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedI'm listening to some highlights from the Fox and Friends interview
, and it is insane.
It's literally just a massive venting session, where he just rants, showing how much stress he's been under.
The hosts are barely able to get a word in edgewise, and are sitting there looking uncomfortable.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:52:58 PM by megaeliz
Huh, honestly at this point I would not be surprised if he at some point decides to resign (especially if the pressure continues to ramp up). I'm not saying that it's necessarily likely but I think it's a possibility.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:54:48 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI'm disappointed but not too surprised by how many of Trump's destructive and/or underqualified nominees got through without too much of a challenge.
I don't really get why any Democrats voted for people like De Vos, Pompeo, Tillerson, Zinke, Pruitt, etc. either. Their records aren't good and their backgrounds aren't good.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:55:26 PM by Raptorslash
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Um, pretty sure no Democratic Senator voted for De Vos.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:57:12 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
I think the odds of him resigning will seriously go up if the Democrats take Congress, if he's frustrated enough now when the Republicans control both chambers how bad it could get with his agenda completely stalled by a hostile Congress?
I'm still going to expect him to last until reelection but at this point it's a distinct possibility.
I'm game for that.
edited 26th Apr '18 1:58:45 PM by Fourthspartan56
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangRe:De Vos - My mistake.
You have a fair point that the Democrats don't really have any way to stop any of Trump's nominees until they have control of the Presidency and Congress back, and Red State Dems probably do have to be more careful.
I can't really see Trump quitting - he's go too big an ego for that, and he already signed up to run again in 2020.
edited 26th Apr '18 2:00:29 PM by Raptorslash

I mean, yeah, it's not coincidental that the Democrats who voted to confirm Pompeo are the ones are representing Red States and are gonna be facing a tough race in the fall. IE, the ones who will definitely lose their seats in November if they don't vote with the Republicans sometimes.