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#239726: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:08:09 PM

Fourthed. It's extremely disrespectful and isn't really on topic anyway.

edited 23rd Apr '18 9:08:25 PM by M84

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#239727: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:10:35 PM

Wow, that's disgustingly transphobic.

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#239728: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:13:39 PM

The ideologies themselves tend that way too sometimes. I had to do a little googling to find it, but way back when some White Supremacist groups actually held a meeting with several Black Supremacist groups, and they praised each other for their mutual dedication to racial separation and Antisemitism.

Black Supremacists and White Supremacists aren't a horseshoe. They're fundamentally the same cause; they just disagree on which race is the Master Race.

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#239729: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:19:07 PM

What is that even supposed to mean?

Chomsky's work with linguistics defined the modern views of how languages work, from written and spoken languages to formal automata and computational languages.

His political views however...are mired in bullshit over the great socialist/communist pipe dream where the far left and the left never did anything wrong.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239730: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:21:52 PM

[up][up] Exactly.

That type of Bigotry, the "Us versus Them" mentality, tends to manifest in a variety of very predictable ways. The only thing that's different is who it's directed at.

edited 23rd Apr '18 9:23:58 PM by megaeliz

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#239731: Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:43:09 PM

I'd argue the Horseshoe Effect vaguely exists for a few reasons. The big one's tautology: There are certain traits which make an ideology considered "extremist". For example, extremist ideologies typically silence dissenters. If they didn't, they're usually not considered extremists.

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#239732: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:02:24 PM

[up][up] No, what I mean is, similarities in black supremacists vs. white supremacists does not demonstrate that both sides of the spectrum are fundamentally identical. Both black supremacists and white supremacists are on the same side of the spectrum.

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:02:40 PM by TobiasDrake

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Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#239733: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:02:37 PM

[up][up][up][up] Then there's Mediterraneanists (yes, those are a thing, look them up), who are basically Nazis but instead of Germanic peoples/"Aryans" they think people from the Mediterranean are superior to everyone else.

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#239734: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:02:59 PM

Trump Administration Pushes Abstinence in Teen Pregnancy Programs:

The Trump administration has issued new rules for funding programs to prevent teenage pregnancy, favoring those that promote abstinence and not requiring as rigorous evidence of effectiveness.

While the funding announcement, issued Friday by the Department of Health and Human Services, does not exclude programs that provide information about contraception and protected sex, it explicitly encouraged programs that emphasize abstinence or “sexual risk avoidance.”

Other programs that promote “sexual risk reduction” will be considered, the announcement said, though for those, too, it mentioned an “emphasis on cessation support,” a phrase many involved in teen pregnancy programs interpreted as urging sexually active teenagers to stop having sex.

“What’s noticeably absent in those things you must talk about is that if the young person continues having sex, here is the information you must have about contraception and sexually transmitted diseases,” said Andrea Kane, vice president of policy and strategic partnerships for Power to Decide, a national group working to prevent unplanned pregnancies. “They talk about skills to avoid sex and return to not having sex. It doesn’t really leave any opening for those young people who continue having sex and how we help them prepare for their futures.”

The Health and Human Services Department declined an interview request to discuss the announcement.

Groups that have been receiving federal money had been bracing for a change in the rules since last year, when Valerie Huber, a leader of an abstinence education advocacy organization, was named chief of staff to the Department of Health and Human Services official who oversees adolescent health. Shortly before she was appointed, Ms. Huber wrote in an opinion piece that the best message for young people was “to avoid the risks of teen sex, not merely reduce them.” She described the Obama administration’s approach as one that “normalizes teen sex.”

The new rules also move away from a requirement that most organizations receiving federal money choose from a list of approaches that have been shown in at least one rigorous evaluation to be effective at changing some sexual behavior, such as reducing pregnancy rates or rates of sexual activity.

Under Obama administration guidelines, organizations awarded most of the grants had to use curriculums that were on an evidence-supported list. Under the new guidelines, they simply have to comply with more general requirements like “support personal attitudes and beliefs that value sexual risk avoidance.”

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239735: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:49:14 PM

Absence Based models are stupid and have been discredited years ago.

If you want to discourage Abortions, shouldn't birth control be the best thing ever?

Birth Control significantly reduces the Risk of accidental and unexpected pregnancies, so less people need to get abortions. It's simple logic.

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:53:47 PM by megaeliz

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#239736: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:50:02 PM

Because Trump is obviously one to advocate for abstinence. Man's such a shining example of self-control and marital fidelity.

Also haven't there been studies showing that states that teach abstinence have higher teen pregnancies than states that teach birth control?

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:50:46 PM by ITNW1989

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#239737: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:51:03 PM

She described the Obama administration’s approach as one that “normalizes teen sex.”

What world do these people live in where that isn't already normal?

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#239738: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:56:48 PM

[up] The 1950s

The "Rules" of the 50s

  • Obey Authority
  • Fit in with the group
  • Control your emotions
  • Don't even think about sex

or this:

  • Boy's hair touching the ears wasn't allowed, punishable by expulsion from school.
  • Most girls weren't allowed to wear pants, and boys weren't allowed to wear blue jeans. Even Stanford University prohibited the wearing of jeans in public during the 1950s.
  • The new slang - hipster talk - bothered most adults. It was part African American, part beatnik and part street gang... an offensive combination in the eyes of the status quo.
  • There was alarm about teens dating and "heavy petting." Any talk about sex was taboo and could be punishable.
  • Many parents were worried about their daughters adoring black rock musicians, fearing the possibility of racial commingling.
  • Hot rods were considered dangerous. All it took was a few fatal accidents and the other 99% of the custom cars and hot rods were considered a menace to public safety.
  • Dancing to rock'n'roll music was often banned, with school and teen dances shut down.

edited 23rd Apr '18 11:01:40 PM by megaeliz

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#239739: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:57:56 PM

If we've seen any political opinions on it this past year, it's that Republicans only support teen sex if one of the people involved is a 40-something man.

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#239740: Apr 23rd 2018 at 10:58:03 PM

Also haven't there been studies showing that states that teach abstinence have higher teen pregnancies than states that teach birth control?

Well, duh. Telling hormone-addled teenagers that they simply shouldn't have sex is pretty unrealistic. It's way easier - and smarter - to teach them how to at least be responsible while having sex.

edited 23rd Apr '18 10:58:30 PM by DrunkenNordmann

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#239741: Apr 23rd 2018 at 11:34:17 PM

@meagaeliz: Since half of the US is against abortion, but overwhelmingly pro-birth control, I'd say there's a sizeable amount of people with that opinion, me included. Abstinence education is like a mother saying "Don't eat those yummy cookies I just made while I'm gone'.

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#239742: Apr 23rd 2018 at 11:48:55 PM

Another appropriate analogy is a deity saying "Don't eat the fruit from that tree over there."

edited 23rd Apr '18 11:49:14 PM by MorningStar1337

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#239743: Apr 24th 2018 at 12:07:22 AM

Boy's hair touching the ears wasn't allowed, punishable by expulsion from school.

Expulsion for having the wrong ears or hairline?

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#239744: Apr 24th 2018 at 12:43:12 AM

Dancing to rock'n'roll music was often banned, with school and teen dances shut down.

I could swear I saw a movie about that once. Must have been a documentary.

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#239745: Apr 24th 2018 at 12:52:12 AM

Footloose? [lol]

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#239746: Apr 24th 2018 at 1:23:47 AM

[up]While Footloose isn't based on any specific event; is actually based on those sorts of bans IIRC.

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#239747: Apr 24th 2018 at 2:16:10 AM

[up][up]That was the joke

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#239748: Apr 24th 2018 at 4:08:16 AM

Mitt Romney failed to win the Utah Republican Party's nomination and will now face 11 challengers in a June primary
I'm trying to decide if this is a good thing or a bad one.

The NY Times had an article about the GOP's state-level War on Education, which we've discussed a bit here. Full article text 

Matt Bevin, the conservative Republican governor of Kentucky, lost it a few days ago. Thousands of his state’s teachers had walked off their jobs, forcing many schools to close for a day, to protest his opposition to increased education funding. And Bevin lashed out with a bizarre accusation: “I guarantee you somewhere in Kentucky today a child was sexually assaulted that was left at home because there was nobody there to watch them.”

He later apologized. But his outburst had deep roots: At the state and local levels, the conservative obsession with tax cuts has forced the G.O.P. into what amounts to a war on education. That war is the reason we’ve been seeing teacher strikes in multiple states. And people like Bevin are having a hard time coming to grips with the reality they’ve created.

To understand how they got to this point, you need to know what government in America does with your tax dollars.

The federal government, as an old line puts it, is basically an insurance company with an army: nondefense spending is dominated by Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. State and local governments, however, are basically school districts with police departments. Education accounts for more than half the state and local work force; protective services like police and fire departments account for much of the rest.

So what happens when hard-line conservatives take over a state, as they did in much of the country after the 2010 Tea Party wave? They almost invariably push through big tax cuts that sharply reduce revenue, wreaking havoc with state finances. For a great majority of states are required by law to balance their budgets. This means that when tax receipts plunge, the conservatives running many states can’t do what Trump and his allies in Congress are doing at the federal level — simply let the budget deficit balloon. Instead, they have to cut spending.

And given the centrality of education to state and local budgets, that puts schoolteachers in the cross hairs.

Now, teaching kids was never a way to get rich. However, being a schoolteacher used to put you solidly in the middle class, with a decent income and benefits. In much of the country, however, that is no longer true.

At the national level, earnings of public-school teachers have fallen behind inflation since the mid-1990s and benefits are getting worse.

So we’re left with a nation in which teachers are starting to feel like members of the working poor. And they can’t take it anymore.

Some Republicans have actually proved willing to learn from experience, reverse tax cuts and restore education funding. But all too many are responding the way Bevin did: Instead of admitting, even implicitly, that they were wrong, they’re lashing out, in increasingly unhinged ways, at the victims of their policies.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#239749: Apr 24th 2018 at 4:56:10 AM

Re: That Washington Post article on the previous page:

The Republican Party: 1854-2018. It is now officially the Trump Party. Heaven help us.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#239750: Apr 24th 2018 at 5:30:40 AM

I think it's worse than that- Trump conforms to the Republican party. I don't believe Trump was ever serious about any of the "populist" things he said on the campaign trail. But he is lazy and incurious, and his default is "whatever the Republicans want." The Republican party wants to fuck up healthcare, fuck over brown people and women, and cut taxes for the wealthiest to nothing. They want to destroy the EPA, the Department of Education, Net Neutrality, and anything that costs money and makes this country bearable to live in. That's why there's so little pushback, no matter how stupid or pointlessly evil his policies are, and why "Never Trumpers" are a bad joke. They hate his personality, not his politics.


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