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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#239351: Apr 19th 2018 at 7:51:38 AM

[up]I'm not sure it's accurate to say I'm trying shut it down, that in my mind implies active attempts to stop people from engaging it.

My problem is that it's being talked about by some people as some great mystery when it's neither complex nor unprecedented. Trump has been doing stuff like this almost literally from day one.

So I think by the standards of a discussion thread it's rather pointless in that we're establishing nothing new and the cause is obvious. There aren't many places this discussion can go.

edited 19th Apr '18 7:52:18 AM by Fourthspartan56

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#239352: Apr 19th 2018 at 7:54:47 AM

"Basically, it takes effort to exercise this act of racism which doesn't sound like him."

Uhh the Muslim Ban was a thing.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#239353: Apr 19th 2018 at 7:54:50 AM

I don't get why this is worth talking about. is shutting down discussion.

And it's interesting because it is a pretty unique situation, even if the base causes (Trump's a racist idiot) aren't unique to it. Vietnam's position to the US is incredibly unique, and in some ways sending Vietnamese immigrants back is like DREA Mers on steroids.

Given East Asia's... situation right about now, it's worth discussing how Trump is further alienating allies in the area and speculating how it can affect things.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:10:45 AM by Larkmarn

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#239354: Apr 19th 2018 at 7:58:43 AM

Trump's behavior in this regard is interesting not because of he himself, but because of how he gets the information that he acts on. The truly bizarre dynamic is the feedback loop between himself and Fox News. He expresses his thoughts and desires to someone like Hannity, they go on air and feed it back to him with their patented bogus pseudointellectual analysis, then he cites it as support for his own positions.

It's not just that he's stupid and racist: he is both of those things. It's that he's got this dynamic whereby Fox and Friends is effectively giving him his operating instructions for each day.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#239355: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:01:00 AM

I don't get why this is worth talking about. is shutting down discussion.
Ok? Then I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm under no obligation to pretend I think all topics are equally valid.

And it's interesting because it is a pretty unique situation, even if the base causes (Trump's a racist idiot) aren't unique to it. Vietnam's position to the US is incredibly unique, and in some ways sending Vietnamese immigrants back is like DREA Mers on steroids.
The actions absolutely are not unique, but there is something to the idea that the effects are worth discussing. I'll concede the point.

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#239357: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:13:37 AM

[up][up][up] And that's interesting because in searching Fox News for anything on Vietnam, what comes up are minor news stories but in terms of stories actually tied to the administration, there's nothing but positive ones on Vietnam. Including one specifically saying that Vietnamese people like Trump. And another about Mattis thanking Vietnam for backing North Korea.

Oh, and also of note? Vietnam loves Russia.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:14:06 AM by Larkmarn

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#239358: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:32:40 AM

I feel like Trump should just be locked in a box and only wheeled out when a signature is needed.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#239359: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:51:24 AM

Maybe a Vietnamese guy said something mean to him once. Hell, maybe Trump, draft-dodger, doesn't like reminders of the Vietnam War being in the country. That's the problem when dealing with an irrational person—it doesn't have to be triggered by anything recent or anything notable.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#239360: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:52:17 AM

[up]Quite right.

Sadly once again his irrationality hurts our strategic position.

[up][up]Ha, too true!

edited 19th Apr '18 8:52:45 AM by Fourthspartan56

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#239361: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:53:42 AM

@Larkman-

That is interesting. However, Obama visited Vietnam and got a positive reception, so that's probably as good an explanation as any.

Also, I'm reminded of some analyses about Trump being somewhat anti-semitic and anti-trans out of nowhere (or more than usual), and the conclusion was pretty much that besides him being bigoted, he was also reflectively anti-minority. So it's like any time he gets a whiff that some of his supporters might not like a group or just that a group does something criticizing the norm, he'll start being against them.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:53:58 AM by Hodor2

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#239362: Apr 19th 2018 at 8:59:28 AM

Can't wait for Trump supporters to trot out how Vietnamese immigrants have suddenly always been a threat to Americans and that this is an issue of """""national security""""".

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#239363: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:07:32 AM

You know the GOP has gone full Stupid Evil when they're hell-bent on deporting the most conservative-leaning minority group next to Cubans.

Seriously, as someone who lives in southern California nearby the largest Vietnamese immigrant community in the country, I can personally attest to the fact that up until Trump, a huge number of Vietnamese immigrants justified voting Republican solely out of "But anti-communism!"

Also, said largest Vietnamese immigrant community is literally an entire door-to-door swath of Orange County. What the fuck is ICE thinking of doing? Literally emptying out miles and miles of residences so that white people can move in as subsidized housing instead?

Oh shit, I gave them an idea . . .

Edit: I don't know how I double-posted and I can't edit one to be deleted. :/

edited 19th Apr '18 9:08:28 AM by FluffyMcChicken

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#239364: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:07:32 AM

You know the GOP has gone full Stupid Evil when they're hell-bent on deporting the most conservative-leaning minority group next to Cubans.

Seriously, as someone who lives in southern California nearby the largest Vietnamese immigrant community in the country, I can personally attest to the fact that up until Trump, a huge number of Vietnamese immigrants justified voting Republican solely out of "But anti-communism!"

Also, said largest Vietnamese immigrant community is literally an entire door-to-door swath of Orange County. What the fuck is ICE thinking of doing? Literally emptying out miles and miles of residences so that white people can move in as subsidized housing instead?

Oh shit, I gave them an idea . . .

Edit: I don't know how I double-posted and I can't edit one to be deleted. :/

edited 19th Apr '18 9:08:28 AM by FluffyMcChicken

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#239365: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:08:17 AM

Uhh the Muslim Ban was a thing.

Just want to point out even that was half-assed. The order was very poorly worded and constructed which is why the courts were able to steamroll it.

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#239366: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:12:39 AM

Seriously, as someone who lives in southern California nearby the largest Vietnamese immigrant community in the country, I can personally attest to the fact that up until Trump, a huge number of Vietnamese immigrants justified voting Republican solely out of "But anti-communism!"

I can attest to that. And because Republic of Vietnam.

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#239367: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:17:30 AM

How long before he turns on the Cuban community?

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#239368: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:18:35 AM

[up][up] And now that I think of it, the presidents that did the most favors for the southern Vietnamese were both Republicans. Nixon campaigned on preserving South Vietnam in a "peace with honor" while relentlessly punishing the North with bombings, while Ford ordered the half of the Pacific Fleet to take in refugees when the South collapsed.

Edit: for some reason, I keep double posting and can't edit one of the posts to be deleted without also deleting the other one.

edited 19th Apr '18 9:19:44 AM by FluffyMcChicken

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#239369: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:18:35 AM

[up][up] And now that I think of it, the presidents that did the most favors for the southern Vietnamese were both Republicans. Nixon campaigned on preserving South Vietnam in a "peace with honor" while relentlessly punishing the North with bombings, while Ford ordered the half of the Pacific Fleet to take in refugees when the South collapsed.

Edit: for some reason, I keep double posting and can't edit one of the posts to be deleted without also deleting the other one.

edited 19th Apr '18 9:19:44 AM by FluffyMcChicken

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#239370: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:19:51 AM

[up][up]The guy who escalated U.S. intervention was LBJ, a Democrat.

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#239371: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:35:36 AM

[up][up][up][up] They may be safe because he may not realize that they're not Mexicans.

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#239372: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:36:20 AM

[up][up] Wasn't LBJ kind of trapped, though? As in, he felt he had no choice, it wasn't really what he wanted to do. That's what I've heard, at least.

edited 19th Apr '18 9:36:30 AM by TroperOnAStickV2

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#239373: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:37:47 AM

He jumped on a flimsy report as an excuse to throw 500K troops to Vietnam.

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#239374: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:41:13 AM

I may be mixing his involvement up with his successors'.

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#239375: Apr 19th 2018 at 9:51:05 AM

"Trump's behavior in this regard is interesting not because of he himself, but because of how he gets the information that he acts on. The truly bizarre dynamic is the feedback loop between himself and Fox News. He expresses his thoughts and desires to someone like Hannity, they go on air and feed it back to him with their patented bogus pseudointellectual analysis, then he cites it as support for his own positions.

It's not just that he's stupid and racist: he is both of those things. It's that he's got this dynamic whereby Fox and Friends is effectively giving him his operating instructions for each day."

This is bizarre, but it's not exactly mysterious. Trump is the racist white grandpa albeit with money and power, the type of people who watch Hannity more than any other program on TV. If Fox and Friends is telling some old Boomer sitting on his couch how to think, it follows that Trump would be informed — misinformed — the same way because he basically is one of them. Presidents are expected to have more gravitas than to spend half their working day glued to a screen with Fox News playing, but this is Trump, a man who embodies the vicious racism, fervent anti-intellectualism and proletarian sleaze of the Ugly Old American.

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